What about body piercings that don't readily come off? There have been reports of such problems.

The TSA isn't about terrorism--your score against them is zero and the proposed improvements won't help.

You're really just a way of catching drug couriers masquerading as security to avoid the constitutional problems with your true mission.

The removing of a skirt in front of another person is (to me nothing) It is what they do AFTER you remove the skirt.

Touching your privates. And in some cases chopping.

And that is discusting and wrong and criminal.

Why would they need to come off? I'm aware that some people have been asked to do so, but I have no idea why. :confused:

Nor can I imagine why a woman in a tight skirt would need an alternative. After all, there isn't going to be touching of genitals, there will only be "meeting resistance." :rolleyes:

Since you are a laywer I am going to ask you this question.

I refuse and I mean totally refuse being groped and chopped by a stranger.

What happens if I get selected and strip down? And I mean striped down. Like in naked.
I really have a problem being touched by anybody without my consent.

And that means on a woman TOUCHING GENITALS.
Doesnt TSA?TSO know that?

To resolve whether the metal detected is a weapon or not.

I can't speak to what the screeners do/do not know about anatomy. But, if I ran my hand up a man's thigh until I met resistance and didn't touch his genitals in the process, I think most men would be a) disappointed and b) looking to exact revenge on whoever took their testicles.

If a TSO cannot tell on sight if a 6 gauge metal nipple ring is a weapon or not, that person has no business working security on any level, anywhere, at any time, for any reason.

Not a lawyer and will defer to PTravel on the legal position, but other threads here have suggested that you will be told to put your clothes back on so you can be patted down.

You may also end up getting yourself arrested for indecent exposure/public nuisance/etc., depending on what state/country you're in.

I know all that. I am asking more like legal.
I am in Los Angles.
I am swedish.
Now that anyone would try to touch without getting some kind of legal thing back from me.

And since they now strip people down to their undies. Nothing would really cover me anyway.
It would be like being naked.

And also they can try the indicent exposure all they want with me.
i do the no consent /touching and preverted thing with me.

A fine! Not for me. my bank is in Sweden.

I do not believe for refusing a resolute pat down you can be arrested.

The TSA has absolutely no law enforcement powers and basically they can threaten you with an administrative fine of $11.000, which we all know here is totally BS and deny you passage through the checkpoint, basically you won’t be flying that day.

Mr. Elliott

Which starts with the deliberate attempts at humiliation by having the tin-badged twerp squawk "OPT-OUT! OPT-OUT! I HAVE AN OPT-OUT HERE!" like a demented toucan...

However, the airport police have become complicit in the illegal acts of the TSA, and play the law enforcement heavy all too often in an inappropriate manner

And in that case their law enforcement agency becomes libel for their actions.

While it is very difficult, but not impossible to sue the TSA, it is open season on local law enforcement agencies, because they are not protected by sovereign immunity like federal agencies are.

As far as I know, and I am not a lawyer, but an LEO can only arrest someone at the checkpoint for violating state and federal laws for carrying contraband or acting disorderly which are all criminal charges, but refusing to go through a resolute pat down is not a criminal charge, all the TSA can do is deny you passage through the checkpoint and threaten you till they are blue in the face with $11.000 fines for interfering with the screening process.

The LEO’s can use their bully pulpit tactics all day on you, there are numerous videos on YouTube showing this, but if you can stand your ground, their hands are tied. If they persist, I would immediately ask for one of their supervisors.

LEO’s know their laws and what they can and cannot do, and their laws are public information, unlike TSA screeners who refuse to show you their rules, and in some cases make up rules on the spot, so unless you get a real power hungry LEO, just stand your ground.

John Tyner did exactly that and there was nothing the TSA could do about it, and the LEO’s just stood there and watched him put the TSA in their place. Yes he did not fly that day, but that was all the TSA could do to him, and interestingly they never fined him 1 dollar, because the TSA knows real well they would lose in court any appeal of the fine and in all probability the courts would throw out the $11.000 fine for interfering with the screening process, taking away their only real threat they have.

My position is I will not refuse any resolute pat down, but I fear for my own safety, which is a legitimate concern and I don’t think any court would disagree there and for that reason only I will not go into a private room. I will demand my resolute pat down be done under video surveillance in public. That not only protects me from any abuse by TSA screeners, but protects the screeners as well from any false accusations from me, and again I don’t think any court will disagree with that argument as well.

So the decision is do you want to fly that day or not, if so, then you are at the mercy of the TSA because they are in charge of the checkpoint.

Mr. Elliott