May 19, 2016, 12:11 am
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An EgyptAir Airbus A320, registration SU-GCC from Paris Charles de Gaulle (flight MS804 departing 18 May) to Cairo with 56 passengers, 2 flight crew, 5 cabin crew and 3 security personnel, lost contact over the Mediterranan Sea about 280km (151nm) from the Coast of Egypt at 02:30 local time (00:30 UTC) on 19 May 2016. Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control.
At 12:30 CEST (10:30 UTC) 19 May 2016 France's President Hollande announced that the aircraft has crashed while flying over the Mediterranean Sea in Egyptian Airspace.
At 19:00 local time (17:00 UTC) 19 May 2016 EgyptAir posted on their Facebook page that wreckage of the missing aircraft was found near Karpathos Island. This was later denied by the head of the Greek air safety authority. EgyptAir's VP subsequently retracted the statement that debris of the aircraft had been found and said they were mistaken.
On the morning of 20 May 2016 The Egyptian Armed Forces informed EgyptAir that they have found first debris from the missing aircraft operating flight MS804 around 295 KM from the Egyptian coastline.
On 20 May 2016 The Aviation Herald published ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages which suggested there was smoke in a lavatory followed by smoke in the avionics bay.
On 22 May 2016 Egypt's President confirmed that the Petroleum Ministry has provided a submarine that could reach 3,000 meters under water in an attempt to retrieve the two black boxes.
On 23 May 2016 the French BEA and Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority, in response to media reports of an emergency call on Egypt's frequency, stated that no such communication has been received on any frequency.
On 1st Jun 2016 Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority reported that the French vessel "Laplace" has located pings presumed to originate from one of two black boxes. The French BEA confirmed that Egyptian Authorities have confirmed a "signal that may come from one of the recorders" of flight MS-804.
On 16 Jun 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to retrieve the cockpit voice recorder in several stages as the CVR had been damaged.
On 17 June 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to recover the memory module of the second black box, the flight data recorder.
List of nationalities of passengers on Board:
30 Egyptian
15 French
2 Iraqi
1 British (dual nationality with Australia as confirmed by AU government)
1 Belgian
1 Kuwaiti
1 Saudi
1 Sudanese
1 Chadian
1 Portuguese
1 Algerian
1 Canadian
+ 10 crew of unknown nationality.
Useful, reliable links:
Aviation Herald (Avherald) article on MS804
BBC article on MS804
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EgyptAir MS 804 on 5/19/16, Paris to Cairo, Missing
May 19, 2016, 4:12 pm
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Aircraft manufacturers should consider adding a small module on the top of the fuselage which would break free at external pressures above, say 3 times sea level, and then float to the surface with an EPIRB. That would save a lot of money searching for downed aircraft.
May 19, 2016, 4:20 pm
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See "The language of the Skies", by Sandford Borins, McGill-Queens University Press, 1983.
May 19, 2016, 4:24 pm
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May 19, 2016, 4:46 pm
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I find it interesting that the last communication from the pilot reported that he was jovial/jocund is thanking the Greek air traffic controllers. Yet SOP was for one more communication as the flight was handed off to the Egyptian air traffic controllers, and the pilots would surely have known that. To me, it would have been more natural to do the effusive thank you at the time of the handoff, not before. It strikes me as strange.
May 19, 2016, 4:47 pm
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Maybe ICAO could require overwater airliners to host a standard solution like this? Let the manufacturer(s) pass the cost on to the airlines and then to us pax. Maybe there need to be 3 crash-survivable items: Flight Data Recorder, Cockpit Voice Recorder, and this Floating Locator Beacon.
May 19, 2016, 5:30 pm
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Weather reports will often show high and low pressure changes, from 1050 mBar to 950 mbar, so again not much absolute difference.
That's one of the challenges of ocean exploration versus space exploration. Only 1 atmosphere maximum pressur, difference as you venture into space (although higher as you approach gaseous planets). Very quickly multiple atmosphere differences as you descend below water.
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May 19, 2016, 5:38 pm
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Russian airspace is full of Russian language and AFAIK, there are several ATC areas (including Russia, China etc.) where they use metric system or mix of FL and metric too...
So, no ATC is not unified nor English only at all...
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May 19, 2016, 6:23 pm
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CBS radio had it this afternoon that there were dramatic turns back and forth before the aircraft went down. I think the source was a Greek government authority. This would reduce the speculation factor of their narrative.
Mods, please have your way with this if the known chronology has moved beyond it.
Mods, please have your way with this if the known chronology has moved beyond it.
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May 19, 2016, 6:31 pm
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This, and many other logical suggestions, makes sense. But it would cost something, and who wants (needs) to pay?
Maybe ICAO could require overwater airliners to host a standard solution like this? Let the manufacturer(s) pass the cost on to the airlines and then to us pax. Maybe there need to be 3 crash-survivable items: Flight Data Recorder, Cockpit Voice Recorder, and this Floating Locator Beacon.
Maybe ICAO could require overwater airliners to host a standard solution like this? Let the manufacturer(s) pass the cost on to the airlines and then to us pax. Maybe there need to be 3 crash-survivable items: Flight Data Recorder, Cockpit Voice Recorder, and this Floating Locator Beacon.
May 19, 2016, 6:40 pm
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May 19, 2016, 6:50 pm
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The American media loves using the "terrorism" for almost everything, and love spreading fear and propaganda to drive up their selling of news.
May 19, 2016, 6:55 pm
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May 19, 2016, 7:24 pm
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1. There was a recent bombing of an airplane in the Sinai;
2. There is ongoing insurrection and terror attacks in Egypt and recent threats to bomb an aircraft and;
3. The Egyptian minister responsible for air safety offered his personal view that it was a terror event.
May 19, 2016, 7:29 pm
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(via NYT): " ... Egypt’s leaders abandoned their typical approach to crisis management: obfuscation. Instead, they offered what appeared to be a candid assessment, acknowledging that the disaster might well have been a result of terrorism. And that was even before there was hard evidence of terrorism."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/wo...light-804.html