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EgyptAir MS 804 on 5/19/16, Paris to Cairo, Missing

Old May 19, 2016, 12:11 am
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An EgyptAir Airbus A320, registration SU-GCC from Paris Charles de Gaulle (flight MS804 departing 18 May) to Cairo with 56 passengers, 2 flight crew, 5 cabin crew and 3 security personnel, lost contact over the Mediterranan Sea about 280km (151nm) from the Coast of Egypt at 02:30 local time (00:30 UTC) on 19 May 2016. Greece's Civil Aviation Authority reported radar contact with the aircraft was lost about 2 minutes after the aircraft was handed off from Greek to Egyptian Air Traffic Control.

At 12:30 CEST (10:30 UTC) 19 May 2016 France's President Hollande announced that the aircraft has crashed while flying over the Mediterranean Sea in Egyptian Airspace.

At 19:00 local time (17:00 UTC) 19 May 2016 EgyptAir posted on their Facebook page that wreckage of the missing aircraft was found near Karpathos Island. This was later denied by the head of the Greek air safety authority. EgyptAir's VP subsequently retracted the statement that debris of the aircraft had been found and said they were mistaken.

On the morning of 20 May 2016 The Egyptian Armed Forces informed EgyptAir that they have found first debris from the missing aircraft operating flight MS804 around 295 KM from the Egyptian coastline.
On 20 May 2016 The Aviation Herald published ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) messages which suggested there was smoke in a lavatory followed by smoke in the avionics bay.

On 22 May 2016 Egypt's President confirmed that the Petroleum Ministry has provided a submarine that could reach 3,000 meters under water in an attempt to retrieve the two black boxes.

On 23 May 2016 the French BEA and Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority, in response to media reports of an emergency call on Egypt's frequency, stated that no such communication has been received on any frequency.

On 1st Jun 2016 Egypt's Civil Aviation Authority reported that the French vessel "Laplace" has located pings presumed to originate from one of two black boxes. The French BEA confirmed that Egyptian Authorities have confirmed a "signal that may come from one of the recorders" of flight MS-804.

On 16 Jun 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to retrieve the cockpit voice recorder in several stages as the CVR had been damaged.

On 17 June 2016 the vessel "John Lethbridge" managed to recover the memory module of the second black box, the flight data recorder.


List of nationalities of passengers on Board:

30 Egyptian
15 French
2 Iraqi
1 British (dual nationality with Australia as confirmed by AU government)
1 Belgian
1 Kuwaiti
1 Saudi
1 Sudanese
1 Chadian
1 Portuguese
1 Algerian
1 Canadian

+ 10 crew of unknown nationality.

Useful, reliable links:
Aviation Herald (Avherald) article on MS804
BBC article on MS804


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EgyptAir MS 804 on 5/19/16, Paris to Cairo, Missing

Old May 19, 2016, 2:00 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Now they're saying that it was ten miles inside Egyptian airspace (over the Mediterranean Sea) when it "disappeared." It was neither ascending nor descending at the time.

An expert is suggesting from the data that there was a security breach and midair explosion.

ADDED: It left Paris around 11 pm local time. Contact was lost about twenty minutes before the expected landing time at Cairo. It's now been missing about three hours.
Oh no not again. I was really hoping things were calming down now with these sorts of disasters.
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Old May 19, 2016, 2:01 am
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Does Egyptair always have security personnel on board? I knew El Al did, but I thought that was unusual. Was this a recent development for MS following the recent hijack?
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A Greek aviation source has told the AFP news agency that the missing EgyptAir plane crashed into the sea off the southern Greek island of Karpathos at about 01:30 BST.

AFP are the only news outlet to report this so far.
Source BBC
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Old May 19, 2016, 2:10 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
A Greek aviation source has told the AFP news agency that the missing EgyptAir plane crashed into the sea off the southern Greek island of Karpathos at about 01:30 BST.

AFP are the only news outlet to report this so far.
Source BBC
Reuters also had this to contribute:

A defence ministry source said authorities were also investigating an account from the captain of a merchant ship who reported a "flame in the sky" some 130 nautical miles south of the island of Karpathos.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egy...-idUKKCN0YA0GC
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Old May 19, 2016, 2:28 am
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Updated Wiki with nationalities of victims. 56 passengers and 10 crew.
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Old May 19, 2016, 3:29 am
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Guardian reporting the know facts

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...r-flight-ms804

EgyptAir says the plane’s emergency devices – possibly an emergency locator transmitter or beacon – sent a signal that was received at 4.26am, two hours after the last radar contact.
Egypt says military search and rescue teams have been dispatched to the site the plan vanished from radars. Greece also has sent one C-130 Hercules and one early warning aircraft (probably Embraer R-99, not the most capable aircraft available). One Greek frigate is also in the area and helicopters are on standby on Karpathos for potential rescue or recovery operations.

Sound like the Greeks are on the ball with this, good on them.

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Old May 19, 2016, 3:41 am
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If it comes to it, better a ditching in the Med than the open ocean. Fingers crossed for our fellow flyers.
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Old May 19, 2016, 3:56 am
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Originally Posted by TheTakeOffRush
If it comes to it, better a ditching in the Med than the open ocean. Fingers crossed for our fellow flyers.
The area were the aircraft is missing has a max. depth of 4384 m.
Will need big effort to recover the FDR and CVR.
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Old May 19, 2016, 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by Deltus
Does Egyptair always have security personnel on board? I knew El Al did, but I thought that was unusual. Was this a recent development for MS following the recent hijack?
According to French media, 3 (!!) security officers were on board. That's an unusual number for a plane with only 60 pax on board. There are some speculations about a diplomat or VIP among the pax because of that.
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Old May 19, 2016, 4:04 am
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Originally Posted by Enthilza
According to French media, 3 (!!) security officers were on board. That's an unusual number for a plane with only 60 pax on board. There are some speculations about a diplomat or VIP among the pax because of that.
This is normal for MS - 2 to 4 based on the aircraft size.

Terrible tragedy.
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Old May 19, 2016, 4:31 am
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Interesting summary of Egyptair's recent history and problems here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36330317
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Old May 19, 2016, 5:08 am
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The French President has confirmed likely crash.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36309492
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Telegraph reporting the Greek defence minister: the plane made a "sudden swerve" and "appears to have fallen more than 20,000 feet and then spun sharply before it disappeared."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...rs-from-radar/

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Old May 19, 2016, 5:48 am
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I'd suggest it sounds more familiar with the Lufthansa A321 incident a while back.....

http://avherald.com/h?article=47d74074

The BEEB love to jump son the security angle with anything related to Egypt. They can't help themselves. All we know now is that the aircraft is missing, pesumed crashed. That is all. Nothing more.
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Old May 19, 2016, 6:55 am
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Originally Posted by PetzLUX
The area were the aircraft is missing has a max. depth of 4384 m.
Will need big effort to recover the FDR and CVR.
It's supposed to be the deepest area of the Mediterranean Sea.
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