If we are going to take action purely based on the TOS then it states the following:

When nobody replies to the majority of these threads AND the replies are mostly very much off topic I think it's pretty clear that these ARE indeed TOS violations.

When a topic is about Playboy in New York then posting a reply about Gay Condom use in New York is obviously NOT related to the topic and can therefore be deemed OFF TOPIC, another TOS violation.

Staying ON topic does not mean that the reply has to contain just ONE related word, in those situations posting anything with the word AIRPLANE would make anything on the board on topic in any forum.

Fact of the matter is that it's not a "clique" that is getting annoyed, it's the majority of Omni posters as was evident in yesterdays locked thread, it's not only "the usual suspects", it's everyday members, moderators and even Omni "lurkers".

I agree with Scott and the others, and I'm not even in their clique.

I don't want to see a ban on bumping old threads: that is perfectly legitimate in many cases, and frequently leads to further multilateral discussion.

I don't want to see a ban on doc: when he participates in real multilateral discussions, his input is as valuable as anyone else's.

I don't want to see a ban on posting the occasional news crosspost to OMNI. Many of them stimulate interesting discussions.

In an ideal world, I'd expect people to use common courtesy, which would mean not attacking a board with many news crossposts or thread bumps in succession, effectively killing other members' topics in the forum.

However, failing that, I support a ToS update. It doesn't have to be an objective measure (e.g., post count). How about giving the moderator the obligation and authority to use his/her judgment to maintain order in a forum via temporary time-outs? I've sometimes wondered if a bot isn't being used in some of the recent OMNI attacks: perhaps a temporary freeze on a User ID would solve a lot of problems.

[This message has been edited by pinniped (edited 08-12-2003).]

Staying on topic in OMNI???

When was THAT bold new Forum policy announced?

Heck, I do not understand most of the titles, much less have a clue how anyone could stay on topic:

What are my bees doing?

the "bump this thread for ______ reason" thread

help me with kids and money: how should I not spoil my kids?

Straight Eye for the Queer Guy

Penis Park

Stupid Robber Tricks

If you live in NYC, look out your window, eastward

I managed to skip over those as well as all the others on page one.

OMNI is OMNI I guess?

From the description of the OMNI Forum:
Enough said.

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"The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You"

Thanks for posting that, JAWS_II. Let's just look at that section of the TOS again.... My feelings as well as Mary2e's and Squeakr's feelings were totally disregarded in the "She is So Ugly" post. We were mocked, told to chill out, told we weren't fun, heck Mary was called "whiney". Tell me, how is THAT respectful?

Guess what guys, all of you that criticized us by using the words above were disregarding a request to be considerate of feelings as is mentioned in the TOS.

Let's see if we can get people to actually follow the TOS before we go after those who, while they may post annoying things, are not themselves breaking any TOS rules.

Again, thanks JAWS_II.

OMNI

A discussion of all things NOT related to miles, points, travel, dining or airports. OMNI is a vibrant dialog of perspectives on world events, politics, religion and more.

Allow me to offer two points.

First --

Don't focus on the TOS. It's not a legal document or constitution. It's not the bible. No exegesis required.

Instead, it lays out a general articulation of developing and maintaining a positive community.

Arguing about TOS violations in most cases is beside the point.

Second --

Randy has said that he'd rather not expend his energy on OMNI issues. If it's not miles and points, it's really not a priority for FT and not where his energies should lie. Take it or leave it, but don't fight over it and don't drag him into it.


So --

Let's stop playing gotcha.

Let's talk miles and points.

Let's take a deep breath.

Not a popular view, but my own personal contribution.

If we are going to single out doc for the rehashing of old threads, we should also single out fewmiles. He does it on a very regular basis as well. Just as annoying I might add.

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Too late is tomorrow's life; live for today.

Martial (1st century), Epigrams, I, 15

Well, MapleLeaf, I am glad that you at least say that when I pull up old threads that it is annoying and no more and no less so than when ___ does it. It's frankly tiring to see when people tell me I am being annoying yet when it comes to ___, then "it's just the way it is", "live with it", etc.

FewMiles..

The Wise Man so spake:
FewMiles annoys me when he
Bumps DNN threads

I actually enjoy reading many of doc's posts. (although reading all of them would be a full-time job!)

But I definitely think Doc has many things to contribute to FT, not only on matters of miles & points but also in OMNI.

On the other hand: Being a Yankees fan (as Doc seems to be) is, of course, anti-social behavior


[This message has been edited by jmartin (edited 08-12-2003).]

How 'bout just adding 2 new forums? A This just in... forum and an In the Newsforum?

[This message has been edited by Skip Middleton (edited 08-12-2003).]

So do I - the constant bickering about who is posting what, where and why is far more distracting. Like many here, I read what I want to read and skip the rest, what on earth is so hard about doing that?

I enjoy Doc's posts. I think they are a big contribution. I can understand how others think they are annoying also.

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