Here here. I agree 100% with Ken on these points. The diverse opinions and topics shared in the forum contribute to its popularity. I, for one, would be against moderation for the simple fact that diverse opinions and topics are often quickly closed out or moved in moderated forums.

While postings between members that might be inappropriate exist on OMNI, they have been absent on the AC forum as of late, without moderation.


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Thank you for your comments. Your condescending and inappropriate use of language will determine how others receive your message and I am certainly not worried about it. But let me be as frank - people like you who have no care for order or law will cause chaos in society, now take that.

By the way, not to stir off topic, the so called vast majority of people on AC forum don't want a moderator is inaccurate. Those people who said this has no facts to back it up of late. In fact, I conducted an informal survey of my own and among the 33 people sample, about 18 answered and more than half are in favor of such idea. That also includes a member of Talkboard. So let's be clear on this.

As someone who has absolutely no relationship with Parnel, or anyone else who has posted on this thread, I have to say you are coming off as a two year old who hasn't learned how to play well with others . While I don't know the specifics of your particular spat with each other, it's safe to say that we are all going to have pretty strong opinions and once in a while, god forbid, we may even be in a situation where we disagree with one another - so what? As a result of your post, I read some of the threads you mentioned and, like Rudi, found some of the arguments pro & con very interesting. Hope the "powers that be" don't take any action on this as I don't believe any is warranted

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By the way, thanks for words, just prove my point - bully does exist on Flyertalk and MCM just did for me by clarifying that indeed I have been bullied. You know what, come on, bully me if you will. But let's make one thing clear, I am more than capable of defending myself and anyone who has been unfairly targetted unfairly. My record on Flyertalk can show it that I am never afraid to stand up for someone else who has been treated unfairly in my view and you can bully all you want, you don't scare me because I know reasons and justice will prevail. If I bow to bullies, someone who openly discriminates a transgender FT member would get away with it. People who like to pick on a certain member will also get away with it. I got on parnel's nerves because I couldn't stand him pick on Shareholder constantly at first. I tried to intervene by separating them, then he turned on me. So in some way I asked for it because I didn't have to get into the trouble but I certainly don't regret it because it was the right thing to do.

Bully me, go right ahead, you wanna play? You don't know what you are up against, my boy.

If you would have leave out the two year old comment, it would have been more credible. I dont' discount that people might perceive it as not such a big deal. You could be right, after all, you are not involved. But I tell you how I feel. I never had conflict with anybody else on Flyertalk, curious just him? Then, his repetitve harassment makes want to avoid this place almost because it's become very unpleasant.

Thank you for your comments, but I hope you will be more polite next time.

I will answer your question, it is very simple, none. I happen to share some of his views, and completely disagree with others he has. We have never met. On this one he is not the one who is out of line.

Well, this is certainly proof that things never get boring on the AC forum. I have to agree with KH's point that self-policing is an extremely effective way of threads dying a natural death.

With all due respect to the various parties involved, I don't quite see how anyone is getting hurt. This community consists of thousands of different people, who can only be expected to have a wide range of views on any number of issues. Policing these issues is a slippery slope and unlikely to please everyone. Even if you did police people's views, you wouldn't actually stop them, just prevent them from being made known here.

Life is full of different characters and, if you've decided that you don't like someone or something, ignore it. Where there are no flames, things eventually get boring and settle down by themselves.

Guava, as you mostly hang out in the AC forum, you may not be aware that this was not a 'choice' or 'vote' option for ANY Forum.

Randy did not poll each Forum and ASK the regulars to vote on whether a Moderator was required or not. Most forums would likewise have opted not to have them is my guess.

However that was not how it worked. My *general* thoughts on Moderators in so many Forums are pretty much in line with Ken hAAmer's above, but they are here in all major Forums except AC, so such is life. They take away a lot of time consuming work from Randy, and that I am sure is something he is pleased about.

My guess is that the only person who will have any vote that counts on the matter is Randy, and these were his most recent published thoughts on Moderators in the AC forum:

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I am one of the vast majority who frequent the AC forum who do not wish to have a moderator.

Please keep the comments coming. I must admit I am a bit surprised that some people feel this is not a big deal considering this individual has recently been warned by Flyertalk that his Summer Vacation here could be cut short pretty soon. Plus the past records indicate he doesn't care about warnings, official or not.

Nevertheless, because I am one of those who has been targetted by his vicious comments and repetitive verbal assaults, I might not be the most objective person here. Hence I am asking for Randy to look into this. The examples you see here, believe it or not, has actually been toned down since a few months ago. So I guess maybe Flyertalk's warnings did at least serve some deterring effect. In case you are wondering, it used be F-words or slurs in French and yes they are still avaible for quotes here.

As to the issue of moderator for AC forum. Glen, you misunderstood what I meant. As I said, it was an informal survey to get an idea how many support there is for a moderator, it was a purely personal initiative. I conducted it via e-mail on my own. Since it's a survey, it just serves to get some feedback, nothing more. It wasn't a vote or anything like that. What it does suggest however is that not so many people are against the idea of a moderator as one might want to make it to believe because I have kept all the e-mails on record as proof. There are oppositions for sure but there are many who want it for one reason or the other as well. To claim it to be the 'overwhelming' majority without doing anykind of research to back up the claim is not right. I at least did my homework and have proof to back up my claims.

Anyway, this will be another topic on the AC forum shortly. I think every member has the right to freely express their view on the issue of moderator and see where we go from there.

I also do not want a moderator on the AC forum. Ken H is right: the human brain has an ignore function!!!!

How come none of those "pro moderator" contacts you had are showing up here.So far its about 99% in favour of no moderator on AC, both here and on the AC thread.

Sounds like you have the disney land tendencies of your only friend here.