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Problematic parnel and his harrassments
Randy,
At the suggestion of a Moderator, I was advised to get your attention by posting a topic in this forum. Short of giving you a call directly, I am running out of option of dealing with this member's constant verbal harassment as though he is exempted from Flyertalk's TOS. Based on the recent warnings that you and the Team at Flyertalk has given him ( http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum5/HTML/010218.html and here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../010020.html)+ all those private e-mails that you must have tried to communicate with him, I found that he has only intensified his harassment on me personally and other members as well. You will notice I and others being harassed by him did what we should do under the circumstances, which is ignore his posts and report the cases. But that doesn't seem to have much effect. First, he took the silence as a confirmation of whatever he thinks us to be as true (e.g. he said I am a Quebec separatist on a totally irrelevant thread and repeated that over and over, I never replied because I didn't want to take his bait. However, as this continues, it begins to damage my reputation if I don't come out and clarify). It's like I go on OMNI and call someone I don't like a member of the Taliban which is knowingly false, that's just totally unacceptable, no one has to endure this kind of insults. He keeps using name calling and insults such as calling people stupid, sick or you name it... Worse, when another member told others of his sordid story of having to separate with a life-time partner and had to split all their assets in half, he chose to laugh and make fun of that member. Most of these occured in the OMNI forum despite the close monitoring of the Moderators who have publicly warned him many times. I realize you don't have a lot of time to go through posts in details, so I will quote you a few problematic threads since the end of July where you last publicly issued a warning to Parnel and some direct quotes. And please also note, they were met with silence as opposed to adding fuel to flames. <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Do you ever stop producing garbage to support your orientation--you don't support the segregation but can understand it. But you cannot understand legitimate opposition to SS marriage.GEEEZZZZ!!!!!! Segregation is good but no good--such logic </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">MAPLE LEAF FOREVER--TA DA!!!! </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">And the G/L community is not trying to have a minority view pushed onto the general population hiding behind other issues.You are a crock and a joke with that comment. And johnny cretin and George Bush both won over 50% of their votes? That's the type of logic you have presented all the way through this discussion. And your last comment---I don't like you so I'm taking my toys and leaving and telling all the other kids in the playground not to play with you;and you wonder about gay discrimination? Temper temper litle boy!!!! BTW I have been to several FT DO's and been very well received and everyone had a good time. My thinking is that people would most likely not want you to come if you discriminate against others here.</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">You never denied it in other threads when I brought it up so I was left to assume your allegiance was there. Thanks for clearing it up. BTW I did not call you a separatist, just intimated you thought like them and still think that way. Misrepresentation is when someone steals your identity for example---and I'm not about to steal yours--rest assured. What is an "official" warning from you mean--are you an official of FT? Are you the thought police? Please tell me your "official" status. GEEEZZZ!!!!!!!!Grow up please.</font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">What AC fora people ignore me except you and the double header Maple Leaf/Whyyzman.You would be surprised a the number of emails I get suggesting I put you out of your misery and to stop you from posting all the long winded garbage we gwet from you over there---if you will notice lots of AC posters "neglect" to respond directly to you. Its funny but everyone on these omni fora answers me and we have good debates even though we choose to disagree--you are the one who lose civility because you equate and link my SS marriage position with homophobia when you have the opposite problem. And you refuse to clear up things by email which you were asked to do and I gave you that opportunity. so wear it buddy!!!! </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Whine whine whine---is that all you know how do to? Other people keep the discussion going and its lively so why don't you just put it on ignore and not bother with us instead of trying to censor the thread by getting it shutdown.Bye bye!! As for defaming were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that?Give us a break!! </font> <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by MapleLeaf: Just over 1 year ago I had a very hast parting with my now-ex. We haven't spoken since the day I helped him move his sh!t out of the house. To give you an idea of my *affection* for him, my friends and I now refer to him as ****boy, not by his given name. Yes were together a few years, but some things I cannot forgive or forget. Well it seems that he is now emailing me. To date I have ignored them all, so glad there is a delete program. Today he emailed and asked me about his cats, the 2 he left on my doorstep because it wasn't convenient to take. I am in the process of trying to find a home for these little ladies, have ads up etc. The last 2 arrangements for them fell through so they are still here. Here is my dilemna? Do I email him back and tell him the cats are coming fedex, then are off my back, do I continue to delete them and place the cats where I see fit (option 2 is to put them down which I will do at some point in the not too distant future), or do I email back and tell him to never contact me again, I have moved on? The fedex option is an easy answer to my problems with the cats, but I don't think it is the right answer. He left them behind before, why wouldn't he do it again? Who knows where? They deserve a decent life, or to be put down rather than suffer. Any and all opinions graciously welcomed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Was your ex whyyzman?</font> These are just some of the cases revealed using the serach function in OMNI for the last 10 days. In every case, either parts or all of the follwoing TOS conditions were violated: Actions That Will Compel FlyerTalk Intervention Inappropriate Posts Off topic Posts Off topic posts take two general forms: Posts within a discussion thread that detract from the topic being discussed. Topic-starting posts that are placed in an inappropriate forum. When determining in which forum to place a topic-starting post, pay close attention to the forum description. We reserve the right to relocate or remove off-topic posts. Personal attacks We invite and encourage a healthy exchange of opinions. If you disagree with an opinion or idea expressed by another member, by all means, challenge the opinion or idea - not the person. Personal attacks on individuals, insults and "flaming" will not be tolerated and will be removed. You may challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully. Do not retaliate or respond in any way to a personal attack that you perceive to be directed at yourself or another FlyerTalk member. If you feel that you have been the recipient of a personal attack, contact a TalkAssist volunteer immediately. Offensive Language/Material Any posts containing communications that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, obscene, profane, threatening, harassing, offensive, vulgar, abusive, hateful or bashing -- especially those aimed at sexual orientation, gender, race, color, religious views, national origin, or disability - will not be tolerated and will be removed. Individuals who do not abide by these rules are subject to having their FlyerTalk account permanently deleted. ------------------ While I was writing this post, I noticed you have intervened in one of them. Let me say that I am grateful that you took time to look into the issue as I know time is very limited to you. You say you didn't see enough of name calling to warrant the closure of the thread but you also said you only had the chance to flip through the 200 posts very quickly. That's why I quoted those specific passages to draw your attention to that some of these comments are in fact, just unacceptable. This person has been banned before, letting him back to the Community is a mistake, Randy. I urge you to reconsider seriously this decision as this members has times after times ignored warnings and hijacked threads, making it almost impossible to stay on topic either in the Air Canada forum or OMNI. I can speak for many liked minded members as well when I said this and if a petition is what you required, I will do it. Please do something, Randy, the harassments must stop. Please consider these evidences put forward today. Thank you very much. Philippe aka. Guava [This message has been edited by Guava (edited 08-05-2003).] |
Guava I am behind you 100%. I was one who voted in favour of having his ban lifted many months ago, and did see an improvement in his behaviour at that time. Unfortunately a number of issues have him riled up and he has lashed out at several folks, myself included.
Now I refuse to respond to anything he posts about me, any accusations he makes etc., yes I wonder about undefended attacks at times but I take solice in knowing I will be on FT long after he is gone. So, I have to agree, banning him would be doing the FT community a great service. |
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[This message has been edited by MapleLeaf (edited 08-05-2003).] |
Perhaps ask patron or cblaisd if they have a month to volunteer as Moderator of the Air Canada forum. THAT would bring things into line over there rather rapidly. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
No underpants threads. No ice-hockey threads. But there would be a lot of on-topic discussion about Aeroplan, you can bet that. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps: Perhaps ask ...cblaisd..</font> |
He, he. No that's a compliment Chuck. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
You guys run tight ships and came to mind when I was typing. And maybe that what the AC forum needs a dose of for a while? |
only now did I start reading the 'Homosexual Couples to Wed in Canada' threat in OMNI - and I learned a lot from many arguments of 'both sides'.
Beside some (minor in my oppinion) name callings, the lively exchange of arguments is, for me, interesting and I am learning about a subject I didn't really care about before. I am glad that the moderators there, so far, did only 'warn' about the name-callings and did not close the entire thread/ongoing-discussion. I would even appreciate, that, if name-callings are judged by the moderators to go out-of-hands' that they should only 'correct/delete' such posts and not close the entire thread. [This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 08-06-2003).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps: Perhaps ask patron or cblaisd if they have a month to volunteer as Moderator of the Air Canada forum.</font> Chuck you would not be most welcome at first, but as one who contributes to forums you moderate, you do a good job and are supported. Moderate Away! [This message has been edited by MapleLeaf (edited 08-06-2003).] |
Quote by ML:
Anyone who dares say anything negative against Air Canada is attacked by our resident Air Canada employee BTW those of us who know the"resident AC employee" know he is not an employee and he has said so many times--but I digress, you continue the slander here.And if he was, so much the better for getting inside info on the company. I am, and most others on AC are as well, against a moderator and would probably drift over to 'erroplan" for our AC discussions if a moderator came on board Is it too difficult for you to accept the majority view against the censorship wanted by you and Guava- who are the only ones asking for a moderator. I won't dignify this board with defending myself against the scurrilous attacks here from Guava but suffice it to say neither he nor ML are Mr.Clean. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by parnel: BTW those of us who know the"resident AC employee" know he is not an employee and he has said so many times--but I digress, you continue the slander here. </font> |
From now on, I'll just updating this thread with 'daily' bad mouthing of this individual here. I said daily because it's so frequent that you can almost be guaranteed there is at least one every day or a new victim as well.
August 6th, 2003 <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Posted by parnel: Again,here you go, if the anti SS marriage argument is not on your wave length its not substantive. What a crock!! What is wrong with having our governments provide some form of evidence that SS marriages will be harmless to a society that has used heterosexual procreative marriages and traditional families to describe their way of life. Instead the government that represents me has used the courts as a shield and has complicitly allowed a G/L lobby to run roughshod over them because they do not have the guts to make this an open issue. We even have one so called pro SS marriage democrat on this thread trying to shut the discussion down because it does not go where he wants it to be directed. And, you may speculate all you want about where I live and my "abstract" life style(I also note you do not provide your location or e-mail address)but you have no clue about it. I have had as much or more interface with the G/L community than most straight people and probably formed my SS marriage opinions from that long interface. I have openly gay relatives including one who was in a 40 year live in relationship and ended when one partner died. So, please don't tell me who or what I am--but feel free to let us know YOUR background since you are a self proclaimed expert on demographics and might get some credibility by telling us.We have also had some posters here using dual aliases so we can be righteously suspect. I have from the beginning been consistent with my views and don't give a rat's ... about the so called "rights issue" that is always thrust in my face here. Rights are both collective and individual in our society and that is where my opposition lies. No one here has yet to sway me even one inch because all they can say is "rights are rights" and call me a homophobe. They as you may have read try to get me into the lovng family can be any combination of people discussion who can also raise children-- no proof of course other than anecdotal stuff and nom proof about how non traditional families could affect children. But also they cannot amply answer the questions about polygamy or bloodline marriages having the same rights as they strive for---open thinking has not gone that far;think gay and only gay is the mantra and give us our rights as we see them. I happen to live in a bigger more diverse world.</font> Coincidentally, I only went through quickly IJK's questionning but it does raise some curious questions. parnel has been such a strong guardian of this tradition, he is married to a woman yet from other FTers, we know he seemd to have a special interest for leather and even inquired to another FTer during e-mail about a 'fun place' to go with a 'special friend' in Vegas. What does that supposed to mean, I don't know but what I find interesting is IJK most probably has never known this information before yet he somehow gets the similar doubts just by reading parnel's reactions. I don't know about you but this gives me chill down to my spine... I think someone really needs some conunselling and fast and Flyertalk is the not the place to get it. |
Wow, A couple of members don't like the views of another member, and lets boot him? Cutting and pasting can make anything look bad like the first post in this message. But to actually read the threads in question, which are mostly OMNI and have nothing to do with AC, looks to me like a few people trying to enforce their views on the majority and ignore and slam/slander anyone who doesn't agree. Ironic how open minded the open minded are.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by The Winger: Wow, A couple of members don't like the views of another member, and lets boot him? Cutting and pasting can make anything look bad like the first post in this message. But to actually read the threads in question, which are mostly OMNI and have nothing to do with AC, looks to me like a few people trying to enforce their views on the majority and ignore and slam/slander anyone who doesn't agree. Ironic how open minded the open minded are.</font> For me, MapleLeaf and I are acquitance who share a common goal here. [This message has been edited by Guava (edited 08-06-2003).] |
Geez Guava and ML,
You really need to get over yourselves!!! (especially you, Guava). This is not junior high and Randy is not the teacher. This is a community of diverse individuals who have different opinions on a wide spectrum of life. I am not a frequent poster but do visit often. I may not agree with some views sometimes and yes, occasionally the debate can get quite lively. I have learned a lot about AP as well. This is a good thing, in my opinion. The vast majority of AC posters have stated quite clearly that a moderator is a bad idea for this forum. The AC arena is perhaps much wider in scope than others and a broader range of topics are welcomed. Since I discovered FT, I believe that the AC forum has always policed itself very effectively. It is for certain not a dull place to hang out. My feeling is that you want to make it dull. I may have finished high school twenty odd years ago but I clearly remember what everyone thought of whiney little guys like you. Not much! Randy may be able to stop Parnel from picking on you. He can also appoint a moderator to the AC forum if you whinge loud enough. But he surely can't fight all your playground battles for you. You are just inviting bullies to beat up on you. MCM. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Freedom of opinion and expression died along time ago on that forum. Funny at the same time did the contributions of Ken Hamer,...</font> From time to time, things inappropriate are stated, and usually the forum self-moderates. In those few instances where extremely inappropriate (or damaging) posts are made, and self-moderation fails, I suppose intervention might be called for, but I would hope only at the request of the person directly harmed by any such post. When such happens to me, I usually just put the offending person on my "ignore" list. (FT may not have such an option, but the human brain is a remarkably versatile instrument.) The nature of moderation by people who are also participants in the forum is completely inappropriate, and is in fact the only way "Freedom of opinion and expression" will die. My observations about moderation in other forums are that it is completely capricous, inconsistent, and is tainted by a great deal of "who's who" and "who knows who". I don't think moderation has added anything, anything at all, to forums so afflicted. As to my recent slowdown in posting, that's due to a number of things -- first and foremost is that I've been very busy (in my real life) of late. I've just completed 5 60-80 hour weeks, with about 2 days off since early June (and currently enjoying a vacation in SYD, courtesy of a business trip here.) Secondly, I've said all I need to. Nothing really of significance seems to be changing at AC, so there's not much point in re-stating my already oft-stated opinions. There's also my disenchantment with Air Canada, and my expectations of the airline's future, which in a word, is disheartening. It's hard to be enthusiastic or even particularly opinionated about something you seems to care less and less about each day. I read the AC forum almost daily, and respond as I see fit. I ignore many posts not out of annoyance, but simply out of lack of interest. I have no interest in "Incredible Vancouver weather", but the effective and descriptive title allows me to easily ignore. But it doesn't bother me in the least. Nor do posts or threads started by doc, ozstamps, or anyone else. If you want to kill the AC forum, and kill it dead, moderation is all it will take. I probably really would leave, then. |
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