Mar 13, 2019, 3:57 am
Last edit by: pandaperth
Chronological Summary of Changes to the Oneworld Explorer Rule Sheet
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
(click on the dates to go to the relevant posts in this thread)
2023-Oct-05 Changes to the Premium Economy surcharge table
2023-May-01 Rule 4(e) change, regarding second visit to Asia
2022-Aug-31 Comair removed from the list of BA affiliated Airlines
2022-Apr-21 S7 removed from the list of airlines
2021-Jul-01 Minor change
2021-Apr-01 AS joins the alliance
2020-May-01 LATAM (LA & JJ) leaves the alliance
2020-Apr-01 Royal Air Maroc (AT) joins the alliance
2019-Mar-15 Minor change
2019-Feb-11 Rule 4(j) Wording, in part, changed from:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
To:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked in conjunction with a QF operated and marketed online connection or stopover flight at LAX
Rule 15 Following paragraph removed
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.
Other, minor, changes
2019-Jan-08 Minor change (to the list of AA-affiliated airlines)
2018-Jun-06 Rule 16 - VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Highlighted words removed
16(a)2d. If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.
2018-Mar-05 Rule 4(j) Words added:
QF operated services within USA (eg LAX-JFK vv) not permitted unless booked as a through flight segment between Australia & USA (eg SYD-JFK vv)
2017-Oct-30 Rule 5 Reservations and Ticketing: changed wording
From:
Reservations for the first overwater flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
To:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure.
Air berlin removed (it has ceased operating)
2017-Sep-05 No change (see the linked post)
2017-Aug-01 Rule 4(e) Major change regarding second visits to certain continents
Old Version:
New Version:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
Two permitted in North America.
Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
Two permitted in Europe/Middle East.
If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. AA Premium Economy booking classes added
2017-Feb-01 Rule 4(f) has the following words added:
No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted
2016-Dec-01 Rule 0 Removal of these words
3 Continent Fare is only offered for travel originating in Asia, Europe/Middle East and North America
(because southern hemisphere 3- continent itineraries became possible when JJ commenced its GRU-JNB service)
Rule 4(g) addition of these words:
The first crossing between TC areas must be flown, not surfaced
Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
2016-Aug-04 Rule 4(h) Removal of these words:
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
(So no more complicated rules regarding second visits to Europe/Middle East)
2016-Apr-22 Rule 4(e) Major change to the 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East rule
New wording is:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...iddle-east.png Rule 8Stopovers.
Removal of the highlighted words:
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Rule 15 Sales Restrictions
Removal of the highlighted words:
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale.
Exception: Not applicable when BOTH travel originates and sales are made within Europe.
2016-Apr-01 Minor change to booking classes
2015-Dec-01 Minor change to list of affiliate airlines and to the cancellation fee
2015-Nov-01 US Airways removed from list of airlines (its merger with AA was complete)
2015-Sep-01Rule 4(k) ATL added to list of east coast cities
Rule 26 Change to group booking codes
2015-Jun-01 Rule 4(k) TPA added to list of east coast cities
2015-Feb-01 Minor change to the list of affiliated carriers
Rule 16 Voluntary Changes
Removal of “Date/Time/Carrier” changes. Phrase now used is “changes to ticketed points”
2014-Nov-01 Rule 4(j) change to the list of affiliated airlines
2014-Oct-01 Rule 5 Highlighted words added
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a lower Class, in the applicable booking code for that lower Class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available,
Passengers travelling on First Class Fares may book Y class
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class Fares may book B class
2014-Aug-01 Minor changes only
2014-Jul-01 IONE3 fares added
Other minor changes
2014-May-01 UL joins Oneworld
2014-Apr-01 JJ and US join Oneworld
2013-Dec-01 Allows DONEn travellers to fly in first class on QR’s Middle East flights
2013-Oct-30 QR joins Oneworld
Complicated new rule for 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East in conjunction with travel to/from/via Africa
2013-Oct-01 LAN Colombia joins Oneworld
2013-Jul-01 Minor changes
Removed the ability to purchase extra intra-continent flight segments
2013-Mar-01 Changes subsequently discovered
Continents transited to be counted
Rule 8. The highlighted words dropped
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
2013-Jan-31 MH joins Oneworld
2012-Nov Rule 0 The highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SOUTH WEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE/ MIDDLE EAST THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS
2011-May-02 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2011-Apr-01 Rule 4(e)(3) Tanzania removed from the list of African countries where 2nd visit to Europe/Middle East allowed
2011-Feb-02 QF codeshare flight on JQ allowed
Albania and Turkey added to the list of countries to/from which only two flights allowed from/to UK
2010-Nov-01 Highlighted words added
TRAVEL BETWEEN SWP AND EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST ON A SINGLE FLIGHT NUMBER/ OR BY SURFACE IS CONSIDERED TRAVELLING SWP-ASIA-EUROPE THROUGH THREE CONTINENTS.
Premium Economy supplements increased
2009-Nov-30 Rule 4(l) Change to the list of Australian trans-continental flights allowed
2009-Aug-04 Rule 4(c) Origin-Destination surface segment allowed between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Rule 8. Highlighted words added
Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin
Changes to xONEx Rule Sheet
Aug 4, 2016, 9:32 am
#376
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But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html
Aug 4, 2016, 9:45 am
#377
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It is a moot point now as the ORD-DEL flight is but a distant memory
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html
Aug 4, 2016, 11:04 am
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It is a moot point now as the ORD-DEL flight is but a distant memory
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html
But Europe was NOT charged for, see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14223220-post1.html
Last edited by jerry a. laska; Aug 4, 2016 at 11:10 am
Aug 5, 2016, 6:17 am
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2016-Aug-04 New Version of the Rule Sheet
The new rule sheet has now been published on the Oneworld web site
The only change I can se is that posted by JAXBA on August 1st
- namely that Clause 4(h) has had these words removed
Yay!
The only change I can se is that posted by JAXBA on August 1st
- namely that Clause 4(h) has had these words removed
*segments between Europe and Middle East are not permitted if travel includes Africa and the itinerary utilises the backtracking provisions in Para 4(e) 3.1.3.or 3.2.3.
Aug 5, 2016, 6:29 am
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Aug 5, 2016, 6:51 am
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WHAT THE *#@%!!! - AA does it its way!
So the new fare rules have been published on the Oneworld web site
But AA has obviously decided it is right and Oneworld is wrong
This is what AA's new fare rule looks like in ExpertFlyer (apologies for the crappy formatting and for SHOUTING)
My emphasis
Note this is new wording - previously paragraph 4(h) referred to "3.1.3 and 3.2.3" not "FL.E.3.A and E.3.B"
So it looks like AA will still refuse Europe-Middle East flights on backtracking itineraries
The Qantas fare rules do not have the red text in paragraph 4(h)
But AA has obviously decided it is right and Oneworld is wrong
This is what AA's new fare rule looks like in ExpertFlyer (apologies for the crappy formatting and for SHOUTING)
4E. ONLY ONE INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND ONE
INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH
CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS -
1. TWO PERMITTED IN NORTH AMERICA WHEN ONE IS A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER.
2. TWO PERMITTED IN ASIA WHEN ONE IS A TRANSFER
WITHOUT STOPOVER OR ON DIRECT SINGLE PLANE
SERVICE BETWEEN SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE /
MIDDLE EAST.
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST
A. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA
//AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE/MIDDLE
EAST-AFRICA//
- ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST
BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT.
B. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING OTHER THAN AFRICA
//EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST//
- IF TRAVEL TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS
THE ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH
AFRICA.
---
---
H.A MINIMUM OF 3 AND MAXIMUM OF 16 SEGMENTS
INCLUDING SURFACE SEGMENTS BETWEEN ANY 2
AIRPORTS ARE PERMITTED FOR THE ENTIRE
JOURNEY.
FREE FLIGHT SEGMENTS WITHIN EACH CONTINENT ARE
LIMITED AS FOLLOWS -
AFRICA 4
ASIA 4
EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST 4 - NOT MORE THAN 2 OF WHICH
MAY BE BETWEEN THE UK AND ALBANIA/ALGERIA/
BULGARIA/CROATIA/CYPRUS/GREECE/LIBYA/ISRAEL/
MIDDLE EAST/MOROCCO/ROMANIA/RUSSIA WEST OF THE
URALS/TUNISIA/TURKEY/UKRAINE.
SEGMENTS BETWEEN MIDDLE EAST AND EUROPE ARE NOT
PERMITTED IF TRAVEL INCLUDES AFRICA AND THE
ITINERARY UTILISES THE BACKTRACKING PROVISIONS
IN PARAGRAPH FL.E.3.A AND E.3.B
NORTH AMERICA 6
SOUTH AMERICA 4
SOUTHWEST PACIFIC 4
INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH
CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS -
1. TWO PERMITTED IN NORTH AMERICA WHEN ONE IS A
TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER.
2. TWO PERMITTED IN ASIA WHEN ONE IS A TRANSFER
WITHOUT STOPOVER OR ON DIRECT SINGLE PLANE
SERVICE BETWEEN SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND EUROPE /
MIDDLE EAST.
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST
A. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA
//AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE/MIDDLE
EAST-AFRICA//
- ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST
BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT.
B. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING OTHER THAN AFRICA
//EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST//
- IF TRAVEL TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS
THE ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH
AFRICA.
---
---
H.A MINIMUM OF 3 AND MAXIMUM OF 16 SEGMENTS
INCLUDING SURFACE SEGMENTS BETWEEN ANY 2
AIRPORTS ARE PERMITTED FOR THE ENTIRE
JOURNEY.
FREE FLIGHT SEGMENTS WITHIN EACH CONTINENT ARE
LIMITED AS FOLLOWS -
AFRICA 4
ASIA 4
EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST 4 - NOT MORE THAN 2 OF WHICH
MAY BE BETWEEN THE UK AND ALBANIA/ALGERIA/
BULGARIA/CROATIA/CYPRUS/GREECE/LIBYA/ISRAEL/
MIDDLE EAST/MOROCCO/ROMANIA/RUSSIA WEST OF THE
URALS/TUNISIA/TURKEY/UKRAINE.
SEGMENTS BETWEEN MIDDLE EAST AND EUROPE ARE NOT
PERMITTED IF TRAVEL INCLUDES AFRICA AND THE
ITINERARY UTILISES THE BACKTRACKING PROVISIONS
IN PARAGRAPH FL.E.3.A AND E.3.B
NORTH AMERICA 6
SOUTH AMERICA 4
SOUTHWEST PACIFIC 4
Note this is new wording - previously paragraph 4(h) referred to "3.1.3 and 3.2.3" not "FL.E.3.A and E.3.B"
So it looks like AA will still refuse Europe-Middle East flights on backtracking itineraries
The Qantas fare rules do not have the red text in paragraph 4(h)
Aug 5, 2016, 7:48 am
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I obviously have too much time on my hands, now that the feeding frenzy that was the ex-MPM fares is over
Just been checking on the progress of the implementation of the new rules referred to by JAXBA
Just been checking on the progress of the implementation of the new rules referred to by JAXBA
- The pdf document with the fare rules on oneworld.com has not yet been updatedSince it is BA that publishes this document, I expect it will be updated when BA gets around to updating its own fare rules
- The following airlines HAVE updated their fare rules (according to ExpertFlyer)CX IB JL QF S7
- The following airlines have NOT yet updated their fare rulesAB AA BA AY MH QR RJ UL
- This airline still has the old (pre-Arpil2016) fare rules - the ones that had the complicated backtrack provisions!LA
AB, QR, RJ and UL are now moved to the HAVE updated list
AA is also moved, BUT its fare rules are different* from the rest
So we are still waiting on BA, AY, MH and LA to change their fare rulesAA is also moved, BUT its fare rules are different* from the rest
* I have checked the fare rules of all the airlines that have updated - except for AA, they are all the same, in other words they have removed all reference to restrictions on Europe-Middle East flights due to backtracking
Aug 5, 2016, 7:55 am
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AA not filing the same rules could mean that unless it was ticketed by AA, the RTW desk will not touch it. Or if they do, they will use AA's rules and not the issuing carrier's rules. Is that possible? Another example of the 'seamless' oneworld travel experience.
Aug 5, 2016, 8:00 am
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other carriers are not supposed to take over a ticket unless there is a strong reason to, like irregular operation or maybe upgrade via mileage/swu. i believe aa complimentary upgrade does not require it to be reissued.
Aug 5, 2016, 8:04 am
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Not so, in my experience at least. I have had airlines take over a ticket when I have phoned my next carrier to make date/time changes.
Aug 5, 2016, 8:22 am
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Who knows what rules they would apply
Aug 5, 2016, 9:45 am
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So the new fare rules have been published on the Oneworld web site
But AA has obviously decided it is right and Oneworld is wrong
This is what AA's new fare rule looks like in ExpertFlyer (apologies for the crappy formatting and for SHOUTING)
My emphasis
Note this is new wording - previously paragraph 4(h) referred to "3.1.3 and 3.2.3" not "FL.E.3.A and E.3.B"
So it looks like AA will still refuse Europe-Middle East flights on backtracking itineraries
The Qantas fare rules do not have the red text in paragraph 4(h)
But AA has obviously decided it is right and Oneworld is wrong
This is what AA's new fare rule looks like in ExpertFlyer (apologies for the crappy formatting and for SHOUTING)
My emphasis
Note this is new wording - previously paragraph 4(h) referred to "3.1.3 and 3.2.3" not "FL.E.3.A and E.3.B"
So it looks like AA will still refuse Europe-Middle East flights on backtracking itineraries
The Qantas fare rules do not have the red text in paragraph 4(h)
I checked Amadeus to see how QF and AA had it filed and of course QF doesn't have the para 4(h) line, as we knew. I also compared paras 3(a)(b) for differences and, well, spot the difference:
QF filed:
Code:
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST
A. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA
//AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE/MIDDLE
EAST-AFRICA//
- ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST
BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT
- IF TRAVEL TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS
THE ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH
AFRICA.
B. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING OTHER THAN AFRICA
//EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST//
- ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST
BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA
AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT
- IF TRAVEL TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS
THE ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH
AFRICA.
AA filed:
Code:
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST A. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING IN AFRICA //AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-RTW-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA// - ONE OF THE VISITS TO EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST MUST BE A TRANSFER WITHOUT STOPOVER BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE PREVIOUS/NEXT CONTINENT. B. FOR TRAVEL ORIGINATING OTHER THAN AFRICA //EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST-AFRICA-EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST// - IF TRAVEL TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS THE ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA.
Aug 5, 2016, 9:51 am
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Especially RTWs and alliance fare products. They can, they're allowed, they don't need extra permission, it's an internal alliance rule in the oneworld Ticketing Agreement.
Now which rules they apply when they do so is another matter...
Last edited by JAXBA; Aug 5, 2016 at 9:57 am
Aug 5, 2016, 10:15 am
#389
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Any oneworld member is allowed to reissue any ticket with a published fare issued by any other oneworld member.
Especially RTWs and alliance fare products. They can, they're allowed, they don't need extra permission, it's an internal alliance rule in the oneworld Ticketing Agreement.
Now which rules they apply when they do so is another matter...
Especially RTWs and alliance fare products. They can, they're allowed, they don't need extra permission, it's an internal alliance rule in the oneworld Ticketing Agreement.
Now which rules they apply when they do so is another matter...
Aug 5, 2016, 11:02 am
#390
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Location: Juneau, Alaska.
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yes. but cx told me they wont unless there is.a good reason to. we asked cx to reissue the qf ticket but cx agent that i talked to refuse. as a rule, it is allowed, whether it is being done is another matter. i am thinking to apply mileage upgrade on a cx segment and hope cx to reissue and then un apply the upgrade.