Converting a DCIR26 into a DONE4 Midtrip
Feb 21, 2008 | 1:16 pm
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Converting a DCIR26 into a DONE4 Midtrip
I'll be traveling on a DCIR26 ticket in early March, routing JFK-LAX-AKL-CHC-SYD-HKG-CTU-(surface)-PVG-NRT-JFK.
There is a good chance that I will be needed in Istanbul the week following this trip and , if I do need to be there, I would want to just fly to IST from NRT.
Has anyone converted a circle fare into an explorer fare mid trip?
The way I see it, my travel to NRT would not have violated any DONE routing rules, so if I wanted to change the routing to:
JFK-LAX-AKL-CHC-SYD-HKG-CTU-(surface)-PVG-NRT-LHR-IST-LHR-JFK,
that would be a valid DONE routing, so it should be pretty easy.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
There is a good chance that I will be needed in Istanbul the week following this trip and , if I do need to be there, I would want to just fly to IST from NRT.
Has anyone converted a circle fare into an explorer fare mid trip?
The way I see it, my travel to NRT would not have violated any DONE routing rules, so if I wanted to change the routing to:
JFK-LAX-AKL-CHC-SYD-HKG-CTU-(surface)-PVG-NRT-LHR-IST-LHR-JFK,
that would be a valid DONE routing, so it should be pretty easy.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Feb 21, 2008 | 1:41 pm
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I've never done that but your plan looks good to me. As you say the itin up to the point of the conversion is a valid DONE, and since that seems to be the only condition for the conversion I'd say you are set.
Originally Posted by oneworld.com
At any time: The non-refundable amount may be used as credit towards payment of any full mileage or oneworld/Global explorer fare providing those conditions are met.
Feb 21, 2008 | 3:12 pm
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I tried to do the opposite a couple of weeks ago for a friend. One of their party of 5 (currently on DONE4s in Oz/NZ) needs to come home and wouldn't be able to continue the RTW before the 12 months expires. I asked if she could convert her DONE4 to a Circle Pacific fare and AA said no, the two products aren't interchangeable. Thus she had to pay a reissue fee and return to the US (origin) the long way around. Big nuisance. They said (as it says in the rules) that you can move from a OWE to a GlobEx, but not to some other product.
I'll be curious to see if "up-selling" (going from a cheaper product to a more expensive one) earns the same reply. If it doesn't, good for you and it will earn them an angry phone call from yours truly.
I'll be curious to see if "up-selling" (going from a cheaper product to a more expensive one) earns the same reply. If it doesn't, good for you and it will earn them an angry phone call from yours truly.
Feb 21, 2008 | 3:43 pm
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Why the angry phone call if the rules for both products are different? What your friend wanted to do is outside of the rules, what the OP wants is covered by the rules.
Feb 21, 2008 | 4:28 pm
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Looks okay (Circle > RTW, just not the other way.) My bad.
Feb 21, 2008 | 4:39 pm
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Going from a oneworld explorer to another explorer fare should be ok.
http://www.jeah.net/~markdu/OWFiles/OneExplorer.html
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr..._13dec2007.pdf
Going from a circle pacific to a oneworld explorer isn't specifically stated as with ONE-ONE or GLOB but may be possible.
http://www.jeah.net/~markdu/OWFiles/OneCirPac.html
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr..._13dec2007.pdf
113N UPGRADING PRIOR TO DEPARTURE, THE ADVANCE
114N RESERVATION/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW FARE
115N MUST BE MET.
116N .
117N . * AN ECONOMY ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
118N . UPGRADED TO FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS ONEWORLD
119N . EXPLORER FARES WITHOUT PENALTY.
120N . * A BUSINESS CLASS ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARES MAY BE
121N . UPGRADED TO A FIRST CLASS ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE
122N . WITHOUT PENALTY.
123N . * UPGRADING BY SECTOR TO BUSINESS/FIRST CLASS IS
124N . NOT PERMITTED.
125N . * AADVANTAGE UPGRADE AWARDS ARE PERMITTED ON AA
126N . SECTORS ONLY. AADVANTAGE UPGRADES ON OTHER
127N . AIRLINE PARTNER SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
128N . * ELECTRONIC UPGRADES ALLOWED ON US DOMESTIC AND
129N . US/CANADA TRANSBORDER SEGMENTS ONLY.
130N . * AT ANY TIME, THE ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
131N . USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS A FULL MILEAGE FARE OR
132N . GLOBAL EXPLORER FARE, PROVIDED ALL THE FARE RULES
133N . ARE MET. NO PENALTY WILL APPLY. REISSUED
134N . TICKETS MUST SHOW IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX: NON-
135N . REF/XXX
136N . /THE XXX INDICATES THE ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE
137N . BASIS CODE./ THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT
138N . REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED TICKET IS
139N . SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL
140N . APPLY.
141N LOCAL SERVICE
142N FEES MAY APPLY.
114N RESERVATION/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW FARE
115N MUST BE MET.
116N .
117N . * AN ECONOMY ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
118N . UPGRADED TO FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS ONEWORLD
119N . EXPLORER FARES WITHOUT PENALTY.
120N . * A BUSINESS CLASS ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARES MAY BE
121N . UPGRADED TO A FIRST CLASS ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE
122N . WITHOUT PENALTY.
123N . * UPGRADING BY SECTOR TO BUSINESS/FIRST CLASS IS
124N . NOT PERMITTED.
125N . * AADVANTAGE UPGRADE AWARDS ARE PERMITTED ON AA
126N . SECTORS ONLY. AADVANTAGE UPGRADES ON OTHER
127N . AIRLINE PARTNER SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
128N . * ELECTRONIC UPGRADES ALLOWED ON US DOMESTIC AND
129N . US/CANADA TRANSBORDER SEGMENTS ONLY.
130N . * AT ANY TIME, THE ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE MAY BE
131N . USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS A FULL MILEAGE FARE OR
132N . GLOBAL EXPLORER FARE, PROVIDED ALL THE FARE RULES
133N . ARE MET. NO PENALTY WILL APPLY. REISSUED
134N . TICKETS MUST SHOW IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX: NON-
135N . REF/XXX
136N . /THE XXX INDICATES THE ONEWORLD EXPLORER FARE
137N . BASIS CODE./ THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT
138N . REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED TICKET IS
139N . SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED, THE ORIGINAL PENALTY WILL
140N . APPLY.
141N LOCAL SERVICE
142N FEES MAY APPLY.
(4) At any time the oneworld Explorer fare may be used as credit towards a full mileage fare or a
Global Explorer fare (provided the conditions of Global Explorer have been met). No penalty will
apply. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/XXX--//XXX equals oneworld Explorer fare
basis code//and the original non-refundable amount remains non-refundable. If the upgraded
ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply.
Global Explorer fare (provided the conditions of Global Explorer have been met). No penalty will
apply. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/XXX--//XXX equals oneworld Explorer fare
basis code//and the original non-refundable amount remains non-refundable. If the upgraded
ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply.
Going from a circle pacific to a oneworld explorer isn't specifically stated as with ONE-ONE or GLOB but may be possible.
154N . 6. AT ANY TIME THE CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE MAY BE
155N . USED AS A CREDIT TOWARDS PAYMENT OF A HIGHER FARE
156N . TYPE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED THE
157N . CONDITIONS OF THE HIGHER FARE TYPE HAVE BEEN
158N . MET.
155N . USED AS A CREDIT TOWARDS PAYMENT OF A HIGHER FARE
156N . TYPE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED THE
157N . CONDITIONS OF THE HIGHER FARE TYPE HAVE BEEN
158N . MET.
(F) At any time the Circle Pacific fare may be used as credit towards payment of a
higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type
have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals
Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Nonrefundable.
If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will
apply.
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Local Service fees may apply
higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type
have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals
Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Nonrefundable.
If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will
apply.
-----------
Local Service fees may apply
Last edited by jerry a. laska; Feb 21, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Feb 21, 2008 | 4:48 pm
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Feb 21, 2008 | 4:50 pm
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But what I quoted is the rule for the Circle Explorer, the pdf rule. I don't understand the reason for the confusion.
Feb 21, 2008 | 4:56 pm
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DCIR26, to a DONE. I was looking to the Circle Pacific rules to see if that was possible, I'm not sure why the global explorer rules would apply to the DCIR26 fare.
Feb 21, 2008 | 5:00 pm
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Yes, but in looking to see if it was possible you must have looked in the wrong place, because it made you say that the conversion Circle->DONE is not stated. Why I am saying is that it is stated, and the place where it is stated is in the text I quoted, which comes straight from the Circle Pacific Explorer rules.
Feb 21, 2008 | 5:13 pm
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Yes, but in looking to see if it was possible you must have looked in the wrong place, because it made you say that the conversion Circle->DONE is not stated. Why I am saying is that it is stated, and the place where it is stated is in the text I quoted, which comes straight from the Circle Pacific Explorer rules.
(C) UPGRADING
(A) An Economy Circle Pacific fare my be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare or a
First/Business Class Circle Pacific fare without penalty.
(B) A Business Circle Pacific fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare or a
First Class Circle Pacific fare without penalty.
(C) A First Circle Pacific fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare without
penalty.
(D) Upgrading by sector to Business/First class is not permitted.
(E) Upgrading to a normal mileage fare permitted at any time without penalty.
Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF / XXX-- (XXX equals Circle Pacific fare
basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Non-Refundable. If the
upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply.
(F) At any time the Circle Pacific fare may be used as credit towards payment of a
higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type
have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals
Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Nonrefundable.
If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will
apply.
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Local Service fees may apply
(A) An Economy Circle Pacific fare my be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare or a
First/Business Class Circle Pacific fare without penalty.
(B) A Business Circle Pacific fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare or a
First Class Circle Pacific fare without penalty.
(C) A First Circle Pacific fare may be upgraded to a higher tiered Circle Pacific fare without
penalty.
(D) Upgrading by sector to Business/First class is not permitted.
(E) Upgrading to a normal mileage fare permitted at any time without penalty.
Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF / XXX-- (XXX equals Circle Pacific fare
basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Non-Refundable. If the
upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will apply.
(F) At any time the Circle Pacific fare may be used as credit towards payment of a
higher fare type from the point of origin provided the conditions of the higher fare type
have been met. Reissued tickets must be endorsed --NON REF/ XXX-- (XXX equals
Circle Pacific fare basis code) and the original Non-Refundable amount remains Nonrefundable.
If the upgraded ticket is subsequently cancelled the original penalty will
apply.
-----------
Local Service fees may apply
I guess we must be looking at different pages on oneworld.com.
Feb 21, 2008 | 5:16 pm
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...OK. I was looking in the Circle Pacific technical rules sheet:
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr..._13dec2007.pdf
I guess we must be looking at different pages on oneworld.com.
http://www.oneworld.com/content/libr..._13dec2007.pdf
I guess we must be looking at different pages on oneworld.com.
Feb 21, 2008 | 5:47 pm
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OK. I guess I see these as being two different things. I was looking at this as an upgrade to a higher fare type ticket. And you are looking at it as a rebooking situation which then refers to the refund rules which let you apply the nonrefundable amount to a new explorer ticket.
As for the rest of my confusion, looking back on the previous posts I'm not sure I understand myself what it was.
As for the rest of my confusion, looking back on the previous posts I'm not sure I understand myself what it was.
Last edited by jerry a. laska; Feb 21, 2008 at 5:59 pm