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jkh13 Jan 14, 2025 6:38 am

Hi, I have a hopefully easy to answer question about allowed changes...

For explorer tickets I noticed it states changes allowed without fees provided ticketed points remain the same. If I booked a leg leaving Tokyo HND and wanted to change it to NRT at a different time would this count as a ticketed point change and incur the 125 USD fee? I assume I can change to another day leaving HND without a fee?

izzik Jan 14, 2025 7:46 am


Originally Posted by jkh13 (Post 36814903)
Hi, I have a hopefully easy to answer question about allowed changes...

For explorer tickets I noticed it states changes allowed without fees provided ticketed points remain the same. If I booked a leg leaving Tokyo HND and wanted to change it to NRT at a different time would this count as a ticketed point change and incur the 125 USD fee? I assume I can change to another day leaving HND without a fee?

Yes.
Yes. Fee would not apply if it's a date change only.


TKMAXX Jan 14, 2025 8:30 am


Originally Posted by aaaxton (Post 36814185)
Thank you for your reminder! Google flight shows some direct flights in May (AS269 SFO-ANC and AS134 ANC-SEA) so this part should work. But sadly no direct flights to/from JFK.

The JFK flight is AS during the summer only, AS623. There is a QR codeshare, QR2058. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any availability in D class when setting the point of sale to Japan (only looked at around 12 days on ExpertFlyer)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4a7cd2e7bc.png

eznh Jan 14, 2025 8:53 am


Originally Posted by jkh13 (Post 36814903)
Hi, I have a hopefully easy to answer question about allowed changes...

For explorer tickets I noticed it states changes allowed without fees provided ticketed points remain the same. If I booked a leg leaving Tokyo HND and wanted to change it to NRT at a different time would this count as a ticketed point change and incur the 125 USD fee? I assume I can change to another day leaving HND without a fee?

Changing dates doesn’t trigger the fee but switching airports, or changing any connecting airports or to a nonstop, would.

SirToby Jan 14, 2025 9:04 am


Originally Posted by eznh (Post 36815276)
Changing dates doesn’t trigger the fee but switching airports, or changing any connecting airports or to a nonstop, would.

How about changing carriers (but keeping same date and same airports)?

TKMAXX Jan 14, 2025 9:05 am


Originally Posted by GinFizz (Post 36814191)

I was also curious about the JFK-ANC-JFK routing - in that it doesn't seem to count as a transcontinental flight. If that is the case then something like JFK-ANC-JFK-SEA (all on AS) is indeed a good base to start from for the US sectors (if booked during the summer season when there is a direct flight between JFK and ANC).

North America also has the benefit of allowing 6 segments within the continent, so you could in theory really jump around, e.g., JFK-ANC-JFK-LAX-ORD-SEA-HNL-HND (or HND-HNL-JFK...).

I also am a bit confused by the latest version's wording on the North American transcontinental flights -
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...05d0d79c65.png
They haven't included Vancouver on this version so if you really wanted to go crazy, I think you might be able to do do:
JFK-ANC-JFK-LAX-ORD-YVR-CLT (as your 6 free segments within NA), and then go to DUB (on to DOH/HEL etc.)
Those 6 are 15k miles on gcmap, and potentially can all be done as codeshares on QR/AY for a 50% earn rate!
(Or even HNL-JFK-ANC-JFK-LAX-ORD-YVR-LHR once HA is integrated into Oneworld!)

But, given 20k nTP are needed, doing this only makes sense if the rest of your trip has limited earning opportunity (e.g., you're visiting some places out of need, and want to add on a few more segments to get over the 20k line)

allset2travel Jan 14, 2025 9:07 am


Originally Posted by TKMAXX (Post 36815218)
The JFK flight is AS during the summer only, AS623. There is a QR codeshare, QR2058. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any availability in D class when setting the point of sale to Japan (only looked at around 12 days on ExpertFlyer)
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4a7cd2e7bc.png

That was my experience as well, NO D fares availability. I even called AA RTW desk about that, they couldn't find D either. Has anyone called AS? (I didn't but should have :p)

Jun_Man Jan 14, 2025 10:49 am

Hi all, like others I'm new to this part of the forum following the BAEC changes and exploring options for life after 1st April. I've read through the recent posts and the wiki links above, but still had a couple of questions if anyone can help? Under the BAEC new rules, the mileage base of awarding TPs favours AY, QR and JL. To achieve that on an e.g. DONE4, does that mean I need to organise my trip where all (or as many as possible) sectors are on flights with codeshares for those respective three airlines? Is that what is meant by 'marketed' in this case? Secondly, I've understood that QR don't issue DONEx tickets (or at least it's not easy to do). Does that mean it's not possible to include QR codeshares on a DONEx booking? Or can you fit those in anywhere in the itinerary except the 1st and last legs? I've seen a number of suggested itineraries that have the first leg as OSL-DOH and assumed that was on a QR code and QR metal? And finally, in terms of booking, I've seen people say they call AA, JL or try via the Oneworld website. Does this make any difference to the nTP earning, i.e. under the new BAEC rules for 'marketed'? Or should I aim to book via JL or AY (or via the OW website). Apologies if these questions have been covered elsewhere - I've not been able to find anything. I'm hoping that the answer is 'book how you like, QR/AY/JL codeshare is all you need to worry about'. Thank you!

headinclouds Jan 14, 2025 2:15 pm

D inventory on AS is really erratic. Days that one would believe as being peak demand, there is D class while other days not so. I wonder if the cruise schedules are the major factor in determining D class inventory.
Don't overlook the tropical destinations from LAX and SEA. Last year I flew JFK-LAX-NAS-LAX, 3 "trans-cons".

danger Jan 14, 2025 3:14 pm


Originally Posted by SirToby (Post 36815313)
How about changing carriers (but keeping same date and same airports)?

There is no fee imposed by the oneworld Explorer fare product for changing carriers, although occasionally you may incur a service fee for doing so from the airline (or travel agent). My reading of the rules is that changing the carrier on the first coupon before travel commences may result in repricing but I think that's unlikely.

danger Jan 14, 2025 3:27 pm

According to Simple Flying, Alaska is launching flights this month between Boise and Orlando, a route that's almost 2200 miles. It may well end up on the transcon flight limitation list at some point.

eznh Jan 14, 2025 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by TKMAXX (Post 36815218)
I haven't seen any availability in D class when setting the point of sale to Japan

Wait, does this explain why the AA RTW desk sometimes can’t get me D availability I can see on EF? I have to set point of sale to the country I started my RTW in (Japan for me too)? How do I do that on EF (I’ve used it quite a bit, but never seen that option).

TKMAXX Jan 14, 2025 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by eznh (Post 36816386)
Wait, does this explain why the AA RTW desk sometimes can’t get me D availability I can see on EF? I have to set point of sale to the country I started my RTW in (Japan for me too)? How do I do that on EF (I’ve used it quite a bit, but never seen that option).

If you make sure the advanced options are selected and then there is a new drop-down field
"Some airlines have the ability to show different availability for a flight depending on where you are in the world. ExpertFlyer will by default show the airlines inventory from a USA based Point of Sale. However this can be changed to a UK Point of Sale by selecting the "UK" option from the Point of Sale preference"

R2 Jan 15, 2025 3:08 am

Point of Sale is one thing potentially affecting availability, another one is Point of Origin. EF does not provide Point of Origin information.

izzik Jan 15, 2025 6:18 am


Originally Posted by eznh (Post 36816386)
Wait, does this explain why the AA RTW desk sometimes can’t get me D availability I can see on EF? I have to set point of sale to the country I started my RTW in (Japan for me too)? How do I do that on EF (I’ve used it quite a bit, but never seen that option).

You don't get to see everything that airlines are subject to in EF. Availability in fare buckets are not the only determination. Sorry. EF is not the final say on what you can access, so there's no point in waving it around with the AA RTW desk.



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