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jagmeets Dec 25, 2024 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36753602)
It would appear so. The relevant rule states:

This is far from a ‘solid’ data point to the contrary. A TA/ someone experienced in ticketing might know better.

Slow as I am, took me a while to figure that there wasn’t any harm in trying. Called CX, but, D availability was gone by that point. The agent added a waitlist (same flight that we were in B class on).

While trying to check-in for the original booking, got an e-ticket error & realised that the waitlist had cleared. Called in and the agent created a ‘case’ to send to the rtw team on priority and told me that they would call me the same day to confirm on things. While I was reachable, I asked for a comment to be added to just get the change (B->D) done, in case there wasn’t any difference to be collected.

An hour later, got an updated itinerary, with the B booking for the 1st segment dropped. Still noted the same e-ticketed numbers as earlier & couldn’t check in still.

Some half an hour later, got new e-tickets. They note “NO ADC”.

While it (no re-faring higher) might be all within the rules, I am surprised. I’ve had a tax recalculation done in such cases in the past & the JPY has moved a fair bit since we booked. CTS-HKG is a tricky sector for CX this time of the year- 4pax on the booking- CX DM/GO/2xSL (OWE/S/R). Wife did have a separate outstanding issue with CX (bag missed connection to CTS, wrong info given on arrival causing a day without winter gear in a remote resort). I have seen CX ‘make up’ via other/unrelated means- but that would typically be something like clearing the D waitlist- not, ticketing.

Unionruler Dec 27, 2024 5:57 am

Are Guyana and Suriname considered North America? It confuses me as IATA seems to group them Area 1C Carribean Islands...

wandering_fred Dec 27, 2024 6:35 am

https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/q...continents.pdf

Both Guyana and Suriname are considered to be in South America
Hopefully that will not disrupt your wandering
Fred

TKMAXX Dec 29, 2024 8:51 am

Doing my first booking pretty soon with AA's RTW line, hoping to get a couple of answers before we take the plunge.
  1. If we book the first flight nearly a year out, is it free to change the dates of the subsequent flights if we plan for the trip to take place over the course of the subsequent 8 months?
  2. What happens if some flight routes are only operated seasonally, and so you can't put in dummy dates yet?
  3. Can you open date some flights to avoid this problem?

The route is likely to be OSL-DOH-MEL//SYD-AKL-JFK-LAX-DFW-JFK-LIR-JFK-DOH-NBO-MAD-TOS

MAD-TOS and JFK-LIR are both seasonal (both being winter routes), but I appreciate AKL-JFK is super in demand so needs to be snapped up in D quite early on, so trying to figure out how to square this circle

Mwenenzi Dec 29, 2024 10:41 am


Originally Posted by TKMAXX (Post 36768950)
Doing my first booking pretty soon with AA's RTW line, hoping to get a couple of answers before we take the plunge.
  1. If we book the first flight nearly a year out, is it free to change the dates of the subsequent flights if we plan for the trip to take place over the course of the subsequent 8 months?
  2. What happens if some flight routes are only operated seasonally, and so you can't put in dummy dates yet?
  3. Can you open date some flights to avoid this problem?

The route is likely to be OSL-DOH-MEL//SYD-AKL-JFK-LAX-DFW-JFK-LIR-JFK-DOH-NBO-MAD-TOS

MAD-TOS and JFK-LIR are both seasonal (both being winter routes), but I appreciate AKL-JFK is super in demand so needs to be snapped up in D quite early on, so trying to figure out how to square this circle

What flights are on AA?
AA uses SABRE GDS with a 330 day limit.
Date changes are (supposedly) free. Route changes have a $125 fee.
Do you plan to stop in AKL? QF3 is SYD-(AKL)-JFK and AKL-JFK.
Others will know better, but NBO may add another continent.
Not using all 16 segment, but have not checked if all your routes are non-stop.

IMHO booking first flight nearly a year out is being a tad keen. Will be difficult. Routes and timetable will change.
In 2025 FJ and the AS brand HA hopefully will become full OW members. When you book you are subject to the rules (and airlines) applicable at that time.

A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

TKMAXX Dec 30, 2024 2:45 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36769132)
What flights are on AA?
AA uses SABRE GDS with a 330 day limit.
Date changes are (supposedly) free. Route changes have a $125 fee.
Do you plan to stop in AKL? QF3 is SYD-(AKL)-JFK and AKL-JFK.
Others will know better, but NBO may add another continent.
Not using all 16 segment, but have not checked if all your routes are non-stop.

IMHO booking first flight nearly a year out is being a tad keen. Will be difficult. Routes and timetable will change.
In 2025 FJ and the AS brand HA hopefully will become full OW members. When you book you are subject to the rules (and airlines) applicable at that time.

A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

I see, thanks!!! Looking at expert flyer, there are a few days even next month for the AKL-JFK flight with multiple seats in D available. I trust this information is reliable, because it suggests we definitely don't need to book so far in advance, if we can still get seats closer to the travel date.

I do worry that the base fare for ex-OSL will rise. Is this likely? I do want to lock in a rate given how the ex-CAI fares disappeared.

Yes, plan on stopping in New Zealand for travel plans.
Happy to see another continent, this will be a DONE5, but visiting Africa for a safari makes it worth going from DONE4 to DONE5.

​We're currently at 15 segments, keeping 1 spare in case things go wrong.

The flights in AA will be codeshare AKL to JFK, and then the North American ones. Potentially the codeshare of JFK to DOH. Not sure if we need AA metal for crossing the oceans?

26left Dec 30, 2024 3:19 am


Originally Posted by allset2travel (Post 36759697)
My own experiences had been:
Best was to use AA to issue ticket (around here, most would say you have at least 1 cross ocean segment on AA or AA codeshare).
My experience with CX was great including subsequent date changes on itinerary.
Had NO experience with JL.

I've just booked with JL (LAX based team as I was in that timezone) for the first time as I wanted to avoid QF and my first international flight was with JL.

Took a bit of convincing that telephone was booking possible as they want me to book direct using the OW online tool.

I explained a) the tool wouldn't let me book as it was throwing an error and b) some dates would need to be open dated as >330 days out (which the RTW fares allow).

They then asked me to use the JAL website for multi-city booking - but I explained that only allows 6 segments...

So eventually they very patiently took down my itinerary over the phone, and then sent to the back office for verification and pricing.

The JAL team is far quicker in turning this around than BA (i.e. a few hours rather than few days) which makes a big difference when some airlines only hold seats until next day, causing you to start all over again...

It took a few tweaks with flight availability and routing to fit the GLOB rules, but overall I'd give JAL 5/5 for their diligence and keeping their promises re following up.

My itinerary FWIW
NGO-HNL-SEA-YLW-LHR // LHR-ATH-LHR // LHR-PER-BNE-ADL //SYD-HND-OKA-NGO
Using JL / AS / WS / BA / QF / JL / NU on OW RTW Global Explorer, just less than 34,000 miles (LGLOB34).

danger Dec 30, 2024 3:29 am

A polite reminder that this thread is dedicated to the oneworld Explorer product. The Global Explorer product is very different with very different rules.

26left Dec 30, 2024 3:34 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36769132)
What flights are on AA?
AA uses SABRE GDS with a 330 day limit.
Date changes are (supposedly) free. Route changes have a $125 fee.

[snip]

IMHO booking first flight nearly a year out is being a tad keen. Will be difficult. Routes and timetable will change.

The fare does allow open dated segments - for all segments after the first international segment. My experience with airlines (looking at you QF) is that you have to really fight for date changes, and for these be free, so persevere.


RULE 3015

5(a) Reservations and Ticketing Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights must be made prior to departure. Subsequent segments may be open-dated.
Agree that routes / timetable changes are likely if you book way in advance (which might be necessary to secure seats on popular segments) - however one advantage to this is that it creates a cancel for free option: BA refunded me the entire price of my tickets, instead of paying the cancellation fee (5% for J, 10% for Y) due to time/date changes to confirmed flights.


RULE 3015
16(b) Cancellations and Refunds 1. After ticket issuance - Cancellation/No Show Forfeit 10% of ticketed fare for Economy Class fares Forfeit 5% of ticketed fare for Business/First Class fares

26left Dec 30, 2024 3:39 am

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26left Dec 30, 2024 3:40 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36770548)
A polite reminder that this thread is dedicated to the oneworld Explorer product. The Global Explorer product is very different with very different rules.

Apologies - is there a separate xGLOBx thread? Regardless there are clearly some similarities between the two, and I think the shared experience is valid.

26left Dec 30, 2024 3:53 am


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36756223)
  • [This is probably a question for the BA forum] is there any ticketing carrier that's best when crediting miles / tier points to BA?
Hennebou

I recommend checking each segment on the BA calculator if you have a choice of airline, remembering that RTW tickets book into specific fare classes which vary by airline (see table at 5(b) of Rule 3015), and that the Avios and Tier Points awarded can differ between airlines that fly the same route.

e.g. SYD-HND - you could fly JAL or QF on that route, but JAL are more generous.


pandaperth Dec 30, 2024 8:14 am


Originally Posted by TKMAXX (Post 36770503)
...

I do worry that the base fare for ex-OSL will rise. Is this likely? I do want to lock in a rate given how the ex-CAI fares disappeared.
The ex-Egypt prices had been in effect for some years; what happened to change things was that the Egyptian government allowed the Egyptian pound to float freely, and it immediately depreciated by about 66% (from 30 to the dollar to 50 to the dollar. We all jumped and bought tickets, and the airlines reacted.
The Norwegian Krone is unlikely to suddenly depreciate.


Yes, plan on stopping in New Zealand for travel plans.
Happy to see another continent, this will be a DONE5, but visiting Africa for a safari makes it worth going from DONE4 to DONE5.

​We're currently at 15 segments, keeping 1 spare in case things go wrong.

The flights in AA will be codeshare AKL to JFK, and then the North American ones. Potentially the codeshare of JFK to DOH. Not sure if we need AA metal for crossing the oceans? AA marketed is all that is needed. In other words, your trans-oceanic flight has an AA flight number, which you are booked on.


TKMAXX Dec 30, 2024 8:36 am


Originally Posted by 26left (Post 36770565)
I recommend checking each segment on the BA calculator if you have a choice of airline, remembering that RTW tickets book into specific fare classes which vary by airline (see table at 5(b) of Rule 3015), and that the Avios and Tier Points awarded can differ between airlines that fly the same route.

e.g. SYD-HND - you could fly JAL or QF on that route, but JAL are more generous.

Sadly with the latest changes as of 3 hours ago, it looks like BA isn't the best one to credit these flights to. The base fare plus fuel surcharge in GBP is equal to the TP you'll receive, but it's not clear which airlines BA will get fare information from. Presumably only from AA, IB and BA flight codes. The rest have variable %s on distance travelled, which makes this a nightmare to calculate!

sydneyguy1234 Jan 4, 2025 8:00 am

Apparently from the aftermath of the soon going to change rules on BAEC and discovering this subforum, I spent a few days trying to understand the DONEx rule and it looks like still doable with BA in a well-planned itinerary with maximize usage on AY/QR/JL.
based in HKG, so apparently taking advantage of the ex-Japan fare would be most convenient not to mention the low yen environment(currently).

tried to construct the below routing that might suit my travel needs but not quite sure it is valid with the rules as oneworld's online tool keeps hanging. if that's valid so far only filled 13sectors in it but seems to cover my travel this year. for sure welcome suggestion to fill up the rest.

HND-JFK-LAX-SEA-DOH-VIE-DOH-LHR//CDG-DOH-AKL-SYD-HKG-BKK-HND

stopover likely on JFK/SEA/VIE/LHR/AKL/HKG/BKK, haven't checked on anything yet but seems some sectors are likely facing D fare availability issues.

once again ,appreciate for any help


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