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wandering_fred Dec 18, 2024 2:19 am

While I have purchased a number of xONEx tickets, I am considering a routing that is "somewhat different"
NRT-MEL(stop)-DEL(stop)- DOH-Europe-USA-SEAsia(stop)-(direct)NRT/HND as an xONE4
Europe and North America would be multiple stops and perhaps "long breaks" with 16 coupons total.
The alternative would require 2 early Asia stops and then direct to Japan from North America as an xONE3
or direct to Japan from Australia as an xONE4
I understand the rules say two entries are now allowed in SEAsia, but nothing specific is said about tickets originating in Asia....
Can someone clarify my attempted wandering
Fred

pandaperth Dec 18, 2024 5:20 am

Hi Fred
The wording of the relevant rule is:

4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
1. Two permitted in North America.
2. Two permitted in Asia.
3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa

Your proposed itinerary is allowed under exception 2.
  • It starts with an intercontinental departure (NRT-MEL)
  • Followed by an intercontinental arrival (MEL-DEL)
  • Followed by a second intercontinental departure (DEL-DOH)
  • Then towards the end, a second intercontinental arrival (USA-SEAsia)
The rule is silent on stopovers/transits (old versions used to restrict stopovers). Because Asia is your continent of origin you are allowed a maximum of two stopovers there, which you have (DEL and somewhere in SE Asia).

Happy travelling Fred

flyhurl Dec 18, 2024 7:05 am


Originally Posted by eznh (Post 36745645)
Only just finishing my second, but I’ve made at least this many calls on each ticket with no issues.

One issue you may face is that changing flights before the first flight can trigger a repricing. If first flight isn’t until October, and you are worried about availability (eg for flights around holidays) it might be worth waiting until schedule opens for those dates in a couple months. Others with more experience can probably advise better.

Thank you, this is just the kind of information I need - especially that others have had to make the multiple calls. So far I don't think I will need to change a flight if that means the routing or airline. I just need to change the dates of the existing bookings. Can that trigger a repricing?

The first flight will be in March of 2025. Will keep in mind which changes to make before or after that first flight.

Any other thoughts? Thanks.

allset2travel Dec 18, 2024 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36746580)
Thank you, this is just the kind of information I need - especially that others have had to make the multiple calls. So far I don't think I will need to change a flight if that means the routing or airline. I just need to change the dates of the existing bookings. Can that trigger a repricing?
g as you flew your FIRST segment
The first flight will be in March of 2025. Will keep in mind which changes to make before or after that first flight.

Any other thoughts? Thanks.

As long as you flew your 1st segment, any change of dates (but keeping Os and Ds) will not be charged with a fee. On rare occasions, airlines may change O & D, then this change shall not incur a fee (if they try, you insist it is involuntary).

flyhurl Dec 19, 2024 8:53 am


Originally Posted by allset2travel (Post 36747386)
As long as you flew your 1st segment, any change of dates (but keeping Os and Ds) will not be charged with a fee. On rare occasions, airlines may change O & D, then this change shall not incur a fee (if they try, you insist it is involuntary).

Thank you, I am trying to keep changes before 1st flights to dates only. After the 1st flight which is next March, I will try make any O or Ds in one change to just get one fee.

When I called just now. I made my date changes and the rep said the date changes would be sent off and in 24 hours I could call back to see if the taxes changed. I kept all airlines and flight numbers the same, just date changes. Do taxes change?

FYI he said the AA rtw email was currently out of service and they are recommending people call back in 24 hours.

Mwenenzi Dec 19, 2024 10:51 am


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 36749436)
Thank you, I am trying to keep changes before 1st flights to dates only. After the 1st flight which is next March, I will try make any O or Ds in one change to just get one fee.

When I called just now. I made my date changes and the rep said the date changes would be sent off and in 24 hours I could call back to see if the taxes changed. I kept all airlines and flight numbers the same, just date changes. Do taxes change?

FYI he said the AA rtw email was currently out of service and they are recommending people call back in 24 hours.

Govt's can change real taxes and the rate of currency exchange can/does vary.
Far safer to fly the first segment and only then make changes, Even minor time/date changes

jagmeets Dec 21, 2024 3:51 am

First segment now has D-availability
 
Had booked our rtw at the pre-hike exJP fares, with CTS-HKG, the first sector in coach because D hadn’t been available then. It is now available.

Am I correct in guessing that unless willing to pay the new fare, we’ll have to live with that segment in coach because reissuing would increase to the higher fare level?

pandaperth Dec 21, 2024 6:59 am


Originally Posted by jagmeets (Post 36753366)
Had booked our rtw at the pre-hike exJP fares, with CTS-HKG, the first sector in coach because D hadn’t been available then. It is now available.

Am I correct in guessing that unless willing to pay the new fare, we’ll have to live with that segment in coach because reissuing would increase to the higher fare level?

It would appear so. The relevant rule states:

16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
Fees as described below may be waived in case of certified death/illness of the passenger or passenger’s immediate family member or accompanying passenger. Local service fees may apply on rebooking, rerouting, reissue or refund.
(a) Rebooking / Rerouting
1. Prior to departure:
a. Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply
...

Hennebou Dec 22, 2024 1:51 pm

Hi everyone,

First off thanks for all the contributions here, they are all super helpful as I'm starting to look into this! I had a few questions to try to optimize our trip. Apologies if they have been answered before

Acceptable Itineraries:
  • ...-JFK-LHR-DOH-LHR (ground segment) CDG-DOH--CDG-HND...
    • Am I right to think that this should work? 4 flight segments (LHR-DOH, DOH-LHR, CDG-DOH, DOH-CDG), with no 2x flights on the same exact city pairs
    • Or is there a chance that this constitutes as "excessive backtracking"? If it does -- would it be less egregious if I removed one of the DOH returns (still backtracking, but less)?
  • To go in/out of MLE, am I allowed to transit (not stopover) via DOH, without it counting as entering / exiting the continent?
    • (The reason I am asking is to optimize for "real" F segments, of which only QR serves MLE)
  • As long as I don't start the RTW in Japan, am I right to think that I could do Asia --> SWP --> North America via HND (transit, not stopover)?
    • This is because I would love to test out the JAL F product
  • Am I understanding correctly that the only way to go to HNL is by stopping there in between Asia/SWP and North America?
    • Given the "no backtracking" rule, it's impossible to do e.g. HND-LAX-HNL
Other questions:
  • I've read on the booking thread that some people implied that there could be restrictions on availability depending of the point of origin / ticketing carrier. Is that truly the case? If yes, how can I take that into account? Is there any way to check for that (e.g. on EF)?
    • If paying $1-2k more means I get better availabilities, I would consider that
  • Speaking of availability -- I've looked on EF at some flights and it looks like inventory in A seems *very* limited on certain carriers (e.g. JAL), even one year out. Would availability show up later during the year or not? i.e. should I book without the right class and hope I get to change it?
    • I know that the general advice is to fly the first segment and then change later, but I'm afraid I'll just never be able to fly in First and end up being downgraded on most segments... Or have to change all my hotel bookings
  • Apart from the taxes / surcharges differences by point of origin (e.g. Japan having less fuel surcharges), are their differences in taxes by ticketing carrier?
  • I'm a bit confused re. choice of ticketing carrier: everyone seems to agree not to use QF (because they're bad) / BA (because they add a ton of fees). What is the best to use? AA? JL? CX?
    • If I book through a TA, does it matter?
  • [This is probably a question for the BA forum] is there any ticketing carrier that's best when crediting miles / tier points to BA?

Thanks!
Hennebou

Mwenenzi Dec 22, 2024 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36756223)
Hi everyone,

First off thanks for all the contributions here, they are all super helpful as I'm starting to look into this! I had a few questions to try to optimize our trip. Apologies if they have been answered before

Acceptable Itineraries:
  • ...-JFK-LHR-DOH-LHR (ground segment) CDG-DOH--CDG-HND...
    • Am I right to think that this should work? 4 flight segments (LHR-DOH, DOH-LHR, CDG-DOH, DOH-CDG), with no 2x flights on the same exact city pairs
    • Or is there a chance that this constitutes as "excessive backtracking"? If it does -- would it be less egregious if I removed one of the DOH returns (still backtracking, but less)?
  • To go in/out of MLE, am I allowed to transit (not stopover) via DOH, without it counting as entering / exiting the continent?
    • (The reason I am asking is to optimize for "real" F segments, of which only QR serves MLE)
  • As long as I don't start the RTW in Japan, am I right to think that I could do Asia --> SWP --> North America via HND (transit, not stopover)?
    • This is because I would love to test out the JAL F product
  • Am I understanding correctly that the only way to go to HNL is by stopping there in between Asia/SWP and North America?
    • Given the "no backtracking" rule, it's impossible to do e.g. HND-LAX-HNL
Other questions:
  • I've read on the booking thread that some people implied that there could be restrictions on availability depending of the point of origin / ticketing carrier. Is that truly the case? If yes, how can I take that into account? Is there any way to check for that (e.g. on EF)?
    • If paying $1-2k more means I get better availabilities, I would consider that
  • Speaking of availability -- I've looked on EF at some flights and it looks like inventory in A seems *very* limited on certain carriers (e.g. JAL), even one year out. Would availability show up later during the year or not? i.e. should I book without the right class and hope I get to change it?
    • I know that the general advice is to fly the first segment and then change later, but I'm afraid I'll just never be able to fly in First and end up being downgraded on most segments... Or have to change all my hotel bookings
  • Apart from the taxes / surcharges differences by point of origin (e.g. Japan having less fuel surcharges), are their differences in taxes by ticketing carrier?
  • I'm a bit confused re. choice of ticketing carrier: everyone seems to agree not to use QF (because they're bad) / BA (because they add a ton of fees). What is the best to use? AA? JL? CX?
    • If I book through a TA, does it matter?
  • [This is probably a question for the BA forum] is there any ticketing carrier that's best when crediting miles / tier points to BA?

Have you downloaded and read the rules?
No such thing as "excess backtracking".


4. FLIGHT APPLICATION / ROUTINGS
Fares only apply on any AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL flights.
(a) Travel must be via the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and only one crossing of each ocean is permitted.
(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3. Backtracking within a
continent is permitted except as follows:
Backtracking between Hawaii and other points in North America is not permitted.
<snip>

(i) The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in the same direction.
Real taxes are 100% the same for every airline flying the same route-class of travel.
Carrier surcharges can and do vary by airline.
If you book on line the OW system chooses the issuing airline. QF seems to be the default issuing airline for many origins. Other times can be the airline of the first flight.
If your first flight JFK-LHR in on AA you have AA issue the ticket. Contact them by phone.
When FJ and the AS brand HA become full OW members the rules may change. Will be more pacific routes for *ONE*. FJ are in ^GLOB* now.

Hennebou Dec 23, 2024 4:02 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36756310)
Have you downloaded and read the rules?
No such thing as "excess backtracking".

Yes I've read the rules (extensively) of course, I just thought I remembered someone around here saying some agents once refused to ticket due to *excessive* backtracking within a continent, but glad to see that this is not a thing!


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36756310)
Real taxes are 100% the same for every airline flying the same route-class of travel.
Carrier surcharges can and do vary by airline.
If you book on line the OW system chooses the issuing airline. QF seems to be the default issuing airline for many origins. Other times can be the airline of the first flight.
If your first flight JFK-LHR in on AA you have AA issue the ticket. Contact them by phone.
When FJ and the AS brand HA become full OW members the rules may change. Will be more pacific routes for *ONE*. FJ are in ^GLOB* now.

Thanks!

26left Dec 23, 2024 6:51 pm

OW RTW best way to book // open dates
 
Hi - great thread and FAQ. This is my third time booking a OW RTW itinerary but still learning. I have two questions which I can't see in the FAQ.

Q1. (a) What's the current preferred way to book these? The first time I booked online, issued by Qantas, which was massively difficult to change (I'm in UK, no Qantas loyalty, inexperienced operators). Second time I got BA to book it for me (GCH), but that too was painful and took multiple calls over weeks. (b) Is using a travel agent recommended? This itinerary starts CMB-NRT -so (c) any good / bad experiences booking a RTW with Sri Lankan?

Q2. How easy is it to open date some of the later legs if they are outside the 330 days of availability but still within the 365 of the first leg, or do people just put in placeholder dates within the 330 window and then change them later?

Thanks for any hints / help.

26left

izzik Dec 24, 2024 8:13 am

If you know of a competent travel agent then yes that's the best option. Otherwise AA.

allset2travel Dec 24, 2024 8:21 am


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36756223)
Hi everyone,
  • (a bit confused re. choice of ticketing carrier: everyone seems to agree not to use QF (because they're bad) / BA (because they add a ton of fees). What is the best to use? AA? JL? CX?
Hennebou

My own experiences had been:
Best was to use AA to issue ticket (around here, most would say you have at least 1 cross ocean segment on AA or AA codeshare).
My experience with CX was great including subsequent date changes on itinerary.
Had NO experience with JL.

izzik Dec 24, 2024 7:36 pm

Unless the first segment is JL, JL agents will direct you to use the online tool which is almost guaranteed to be QF (which we ALL should know by now is a miserable experience).

AA has a significant number of agents dedicated to the RTW desk.


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