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Bartonio Apr 25, 2024 3:59 pm

About to book OW RTE 4 continent- please lmk major issues/oops/know-before-you-go/etc
 
Hi - am about to book the following RTW itinerary in business class via AA RTW desk going westward from BOS->BOS - this was a very challenging routing to validate - most likely because of relatively short fuse on departure.....took nearly 1.5hrs on phone with them to find this routing that worked with the dates you see below. Most important dates are to arrive in PER the same day (or one day earlier) and to be in HAM same day (or one day earlier). Lots of segment choices out of PER were sold out or not avail in business. While I know I can make changes w/out penalty for most of this, the cities can't change once ticketed w/ out incurring a change penalty and not expecting other cities to offer better options. Turns out a 3 continent routing wasn't generating a valid route but switching to 4 continent did, and @ same fare. One major question is whether I will receive full AA Loyalty credit(s) when flying non AA airlines and any issues w/ airports and or lounge access in those locations. Only airport I haven't been thru before is AUK for this trip.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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Thank you for choosing American Airlines. Here is the itinerary you requested.

Flight 1: Republic Airways as American Eagle 4289
Departure Date: May 3, 2024
Departure Airport: BOS
Scheduled Departure Time: 11:47AM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: JFK
Scheduled Arrival Time: 1:14PM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 2: Qantas 7264
Departure Date: May 3, 2024
Departure Airport: JFK
Scheduled Departure Time: 7:20PM
Departure Terminal: 8
Departure Gate: 5
Arrival Airport: AKL
Scheduled Arrival Time: 5:00AM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 3: Qantas 7264
Departure Date: May 5, 2024
Departure Airport: AKL
Scheduled Departure Time: 7:00AM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: SYD
Scheduled Arrival Time: 8:35AM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 4: Qantas 653
Departure Date: May 5, 2024
Departure Airport: SYD
Scheduled Departure Time: 6:30PM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: PER
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:35PM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 5: Cathay Pacific 170
Departure Date: May 11, 2024
Departure Airport: PER
Scheduled Departure Time: 11:55PM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: HKG
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:40AM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 6: Cathay Pacific 251
Departure Date: May 12, 2024
Departure Airport: HKG
Scheduled Departure Time: 10:40PM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: LHR
Scheduled Arrival Time: 5:40AM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 7: British Airways 964
Departure Date: May 13, 2024
Departure Airport: LHR
Scheduled Departure Time: 7:15AM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: HAM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:50AM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 8: British Airways 975
Departure Date: May 16, 2024
Departure Airport: HAM
Scheduled Departure Time: 4:40PM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: LHR
Scheduled Arrival Time: 5:20PM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 9: American Airlines 141
Departure Date: May 16, 2024
Departure Airport: LHR
Scheduled Departure Time: 7:55PM
Departure Terminal: 3
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: JFK
Scheduled Arrival Time: 10:35PM
Arrival Terminal: 8
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 10: Republic Airways as American Eagle 4315
Departure Date: May 17, 2024
Departure Airport: JFK
Scheduled Departure Time: 9:59AM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: --
Arrival Airport: CMH
Scheduled Arrival Time: 11:53AM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --


Flight 11: Envoy Air as American Eagle 3727
Departure Date: May 20, 2024
Departure Airport: CMH
Scheduled Departure Time: 8:00PM
Departure Terminal: --
Departure Gate: B19
Arrival Airport: BOS
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:59PM
Arrival Terminal: --
Arrival Gate: --

Mwenenzi Apr 25, 2024 5:29 pm

Little strange AA ticketed
Flight 2: Qantas 7264 JFK-AKL (AA 7264 on QF3)
Flight 3: Qantas 7264 AKL-SYD (AA 7264 on QF3)
Could have been ticket as JFK-SYD. The date line may have confused the agent. Or QF not offering D JFK-SYD, and only JFK-AKL and AKL-SYD as D class.
But may get more AA miles.

Will need a NZeTA, even though doing an airside transit-->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ocea...w-zealand.html

Will have lounge access everywhere based on class of service (business)

AA thread for RTW earnings-->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...age-miles.html

A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

With a little planning you could have had a (free) trip to Alaska or where ever 3-6-9-11 months after your return to USA. Allowed 6 USA flights


Only airport I haven't been thru before is AUK for this trip.
With luck you will not be going to AUK, Alaska ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alakanuk_Airport

Dr. HFH Apr 26, 2024 4:14 am

I don't understand this:

Originally Posted by Bartonio (Post 36188540)
Turns out a 3 continent routing wasn't generating a valid route but switching to 4 continent did, and @ same fare.

DONE3 and DONE4 at the same fare from the same departure point?

dvs7310 Apr 26, 2024 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36189481)
I don't understand this:DONE3 and DONE4 at the same fare from the same departure point?

I don't think it's normal, but remember the old ex-CAI fares, the difference between DONE3, DONE4, and DONE5 was absolutely negligible. We've also had one poster recently who wanted ex-BRU, in their case the DONE4 and DGLOB4 were identical priced. I know ex-USA fares aren't like that but there's always a chance.

But it wasn't really clear what the OP did to trigger the pricing. Maybe it was actually a DONE4 all along? (Europe to Australia without a transit / stopover in Asia?) The OW tool does weird stuff.

jerry a. laska Apr 26, 2024 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36191095)
I don't think it's normal, but remember the old ex-CAI fares, the difference between DONE3, DONE4, and DONE5 was absolutely negligible. We've also had one poster recently who wanted ex-BRU, in their case the DONE4 and DGLOB4 were identical priced. I know ex-USA fares aren't like that but there's always a chance.

But it wasn't really clear what the OP did to trigger the pricing. Maybe it was actually a DONE4 all along? (Europe to Australia without a transit / stopover in Asia?) The OW tool does weird stuff.

DONE4 ex-US is ~$700 more than DONE3 before you start adding in ++.

I agree that the OP probably had a DONE4 to start.

Bartonio Apr 26, 2024 10:08 pm

Thank you for the thoughtful reply, yep I goofed the code for Auckland, especially appreciate the tip that I will need a transit NZeTA...will take care of that this week.

ironmanjt Apr 26, 2024 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by Bartonio (Post 36191534)
Thank you for the thoughtful reply, yep I goofed the code for Auckland, especially appreciate the tip that I will need a transit NZeTA...will take care of that this week.

Definitely don’t risk it but I forgot to get one in February…and I was never asked. Surprised it wasn’t as automated as in Australia where airline systems are linked to th database.

dvs7310 Apr 27, 2024 1:00 am


Originally Posted by Bartonio (Post 36191534)
Thank you for the thoughtful reply, yep I goofed the code for Auckland, especially appreciate the tip that I will need a transit NZeTA...will take care of that this week.


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36191571)
Definitely don’t risk it but I forgot to get one in February…and I was never asked. Surprised it wasn’t as automated as in Australia where airline systems are linked to th database.

I've actually yet to figure out the point of it other than a money grab. It doesn't seem to be checked by anyone. I had mine when I went in December, but my friend very spontaneously joined me on the trip, we got her ticket 36 hours before departure. Needless to say her NZeTA didn't process in time (which was odd, mine was issued within minutes), so I did some searching online and apparently it doesn't matter, you can still enter the country without anyone asking anything about it. Seems fairly common from what I found. (People did say you have to have a pending application, I don't know what would happen if you didn't apply at all)

She finally got the email that it was approved after being in the country for 4 days already.:D

ironmanjt Apr 27, 2024 7:51 am


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36191684)
I've actually yet to figure out the point of it other than a money grab. It doesn't seem to be checked by anyone. I had mine when I went in December, but my friend very spontaneously joined me on the trip, we got her ticket 36 hours before departure. Needless to say her NZeTA didn't process in time (which was odd, mine was issued within minutes), so I did some searching online and apparently it doesn't matter, you can still enter the country without anyone asking anything about it. Seems fairly common from what I found. (People did say you have to have a pending application, I don't know what would happen if you didn't apply at all)

She finally got the email that it was approved after being in the country for 4 days already.:D

Your friend's experience 100% matches mine as well.

ironmanjt Apr 29, 2024 10:05 am

Question on changing a Global Explorer 34,000 ticket (ex-CAI) with 2 segments already flown (CAI-LHR and LHR-BER) and 3 to be flown shortly (BER-HEL, HEL-SEA-DCA) leaving me 11 segments left:

1. FJ flight 821 from HNL-NAN - flight is a one-stop flight (direct) with a stop in CXI - this counts as one segment, correct? So would this be a valid routing:

DCA-SFO-ANC
ANC-HNL
HNL-(CXI)-NAN
NAN-CXI
CXI-NAN
NAN-MEL
MEL-KUL-BLK
BKK-DOH-CAI

Basically, the HNL-CXI-NAN flights only go once a week so my choice is to go HNL-CXI then CXI-NAN 7.5 days apart (I think 7.5 days there will drive me crazy) or just stop in CXI on the way to NAN, and then do a CXI-NAN-CXI with 10 hours there...I can't see why this isn't allowed but the 1 stop flight has me thinking...

pandaperth Apr 29, 2024 10:36 am

Looks good (and novel!) to me :tu:
CXI is on my bucket list, and I too was thinking of the necessary one-week stopover, caused by the flight only being weekly. But conversely 10hrs might be too short for me.

Two points:
  • I assume CXI is in the South West Pacific continent not North America, otherwise you cannot do what you want (surely it MUST be, right? But it is North of the equator and East of the dateline)
  • Your HNL-NAN flight will of course show as just one segment on the ticket (no mention of the fact that the flight stops in CXI). This is good, because then your later CXI-NAN flight will not be flagged as a duplicate (which is not allowed)
ETA
You made an error in your last paragraph, right? It should be NAN-CXI-NAN, with 10hrs in CXI?



Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36197047)
Question on changing a Global Explorer 34,000 ticket (ex-CAI) with 2 segments already flown (CAI-LHR and LHR-BER) and 3 to be flown shortly (BER-HEL, HEL-SEA-DCA) leaving me 11 segments left:

1. FJ flight 821 from HNL-NAN - flight is a one-stop flight (direct) with a stop in CXI - this counts as one segment, correct? So would this be a valid routing:

DCA-SFO-ANC
ANC-HNL
HNL-(CXI)-NAN
NAN-CXI
CXI-NAN
NAN-MEL
MEL-KUL-BLK
BKK-DOH-CAI

Basically, the HNL-CXI-NAN flights only go once a week so my choice is to go HNL-CXI then CXI-NAN 7.5 days apart (I think 7.5 days there will drive me crazy) or just stop in CXI on the way to NAN, and then do a CXI-NAN-CXI with 10 hours there...I can't see why this isn't allowed but the 1 stop flight has me thinking...


ironmanjt Apr 29, 2024 10:46 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36197154)
Looks good (and novel!) to me :tu:
CXI is on my bucket list, and I too was thinking of the necessary one-week stopover, caused by the flight only being weekly. But conversely 10hrs might be too short for me.

Two points:
  • I assume CXI is in the South West Pacific continent not North America, otherwise you cannot do what you want (surely it MUST be, right? But it is North of the equator and East of the dateline)
  • Your HNL-NAN flight will of course show as just one segment on the ticket (no mention of the fact that the flight stops in CXI). This is good, because then your later CXI-NAN flight will not be flagged as a duplicate (which is not allowed)

Yeah, sadly it's a dilemma. 7 days is too long, but 10 hours is too short. I just priced it out in the tool and it prices (and goes to booking stage) so it does appear valid....but the tough part is the 34,000 mile limit. I'd have to eliminate my SEA-DCA-SFO with time at home to make it work. Totally doable, but...

SwedishGirl Apr 30, 2024 1:12 am

Hello! First post here but I've been reading lots of helpful tips about booking a RTW ticket.

I've been testing lots of routes for at trip at Christmas starting in Sweden or Norway using the Oneworld planning tool. But I have read here that Expertflyer gives more accurate information.

Soooo I have just started a weeks trial of Expertflyer and am struggling to see how to plan a RTW itinerary there. Please could someone point me in the right direction so that I can get started.

Big thank you in advance!

SwedishGirl Apr 30, 2024 1:42 am

Whilst waiting for my first post to be approved by a moderator I'll ask a more specific question about my planned itineraries so far if i may. Edited to say that this post has appeared before my first one so hello! :)

The Oneworld tool will not allow either of these trips because of the rule that only 2 stopovers are allowed in "home" continent? I don't think my trips break this rule. Am I missing something obvious?

Trip 1
OSL-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHR-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-GOT
HEL-DOH
DOH-OSL

Trip 2
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-DOH
DOH-ARN

Mwenenzi Apr 30, 2024 1:55 am

SwedishGirl Welcome to FT

Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36198801)
Whilst waiting for my first post to be approved by a moderator I'll ask a more specific question about my planned itineraries so far if i may. Edited to say that this post has appeared before my first one so hello! :)

The Oneworld tool will not allow either of these trips because of the rule that only 2 stopovers are allowed in "home" continent? I don't think my trips break this rule. Am I missing something obvious?

Trip 1
OSL-DOH
DOH-AUC
CHR-NAD
NAD-LAX
LAX-GOT
HEL-DOH
DOH-OSL

Trip 2
STO-DOH
DOH-AUC
CHR-NAD
NAD-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-DOH
DOH-STO

Guessing
AUC = AKL Auckland
CHR = CHC Christchurch
NAD = NAN Nadi
STO= ARN Stockholm

CHC-NAN is on FJ Fiji Airways, so your trip cannot be a *ONE*, but could be a *GLOB*. So a different set of rules.

No flight LAX-GOT. Will need to be LAX-LHR-GOT or equal. Need to list all flights and not just where you want to depart/arrive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B...vetter_Airport

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ablu...=bm&PW=3&DU=mi


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