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SwedishGirl Apr 30, 2024 2:07 am

Thanks! I corrected my airport codes but probably as you were replying. And now I have edited the ones I missed.;)

Fiji Airways is Oneworld and I can get a valid and priced trip with CHC-NAN.

Yes the LAX-GOT offers via LHR.

STO - Stockholm so should be ARN

But my problem is not being allowed to stop in HEL at the end of my trip because the Oneworld tool says I am not allowed more than 2 stopovers of more than 24 hours in my starting continent. My dates only have one stopover of more than 24 hours in Europe (HEL) so I do not understand the problem.

Full list of flights that does NOT work
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-DOH
DOH-ARN

Full list of flights that DOES work
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-ARN

Mwenenzi Apr 30, 2024 2:12 am


Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36198844)
Thanks! I corrected my airport codes but probably as you were replying.

Fiji Airways is Oneworld and I can get a valid and priced trip with CHC-NAN.

Yes the LAX-GOT offers via LHR.

STO - Stockholm so should be ARN

But my problem is not being allowed to stop in HEL at the end of my trip because the Oneworld tool says I am not allowed more than 2 stopovers of more than 24 hours in my starting continent. My dates only have one stopover of more than 24 hours in Europe (HEL) so I do not understand the problem.

FJ is Oneworld Connect and cannot be used on *ONE*. FJ is not a full OW member. NAN-LAX would also be on FJ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_I...tional_Airport

Have you downloaded the rules?
Rule 3015 *ONE*

0. APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
First / Business / Economy RTW / Open Jaw travel via AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL
operated services worldwide.

Rule 9701 *GLOB*

0. APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
First/Business/Economy travel valid for RTW /Open Jaw travel via
AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/EI/FJ/GK/IB/JL/JQ/MH/NU/PG/QF/QR/RJ/UL/WS/3K.


SwedishGirl Apr 30, 2024 2:19 am

Hmmm interesting. The Oneworld planning tool is not giving me that information. It has offered me prices flying with Fiji Airways both CHC-NAN and NAN-LAX.
Frustrating because that is a part of my trip that I thought worked.

Edited to say that the tool is pricing as GLOB not ONE. So that answers that question.

But why am I not allowed to have a stopoever in HEL at the end of my trip?

Mwenenzi Apr 30, 2024 2:24 am


Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36198863)
Hmmm interesting. The Oneworld planning tool is not giving me that information. It has offered me prices flying with Fiji Airways both CHC-NAN and NAN-LAX.
Frustrating because that is a part of my trip that I thought worked.

It may be trying to price out a Global explorer
https://www.oneworld.com/world-travel

From what I had read here the error message is not always the real error. But an error some where.
Others will confirm/deny, but with the first flight on QR Qatar, the ticket is issued by QF Qantas. QF are difficult to deal with. Avoid if possible

You will have a steep learning curve for these Oneworld RTW tickets.

SwedishGirl Apr 30, 2024 2:26 am

Haha yes definitely a learning curve! Frustrating that the Oneworld tool is so unreliable.

I tried to use expertflyer but can't figure out how to simulate the whole trip.

pandaperth Apr 30, 2024 6:05 am

Welcome to FlyerTalk SwedishGirl
and to the wonderful world of RTW planning :D


Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36198844)
...
Full list of flights that does NOT work
ARN-DOH
DOH-AKL
CHC-NAN
NAN-LAX
LAX-HEL
HEL-DOH
DOH-ARN

I managed to get the above itinerary to price up! (72,953SEK all in for Business Class)
I entered it into the tool as:
  • ARN-AKL (it gave me via DOH, with the first flight being on AY)
  • CHC-NAN (I had to choose a day that has the non-stop flight, otherwise it routed me via AKL, with the first segment in Economy on Jetstar, which caused the pricing to fail!
  • NAN-LAX
  • LAX-HEL (it gave me via DFW, AA and then AY)
  • HEL-DOH (with stopovers in both HEL and DOH)
  • DOH-ARN

pandaperth Apr 30, 2024 7:35 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36197170)
Yeah, sadly it's a dilemma. 7 days is too long, but 10 hours is too short. I just priced it out in the tool and it prices (and goes to booking stage) so it does appear valid....but the tough part is the 34,000 mile limit. I'd have to eliminate my SEA-DCA-SFO with time at home to make it work. Totally doable, but...

ironmanjt
I've been looking at FJ's route map
and I notice that in addition to its weekly HNL-CXI flight, it also has a weekly HNL-APW (Apia, Samoa) flight.
and it has daily flights between APW and NAN, so you wouldn't be stuck there for a week.
FYI

ironmanjt Apr 30, 2024 7:53 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36199330)
I've been looking at FJ's route map
and I notice that in addition to its weekly HNL-CXI flight, it also has a weekly HNL-APW (Apia, Samoa) flight.
and it has daily flights between APW and NAN, so you wouldn't be stuck there for a week.
FYI

Not sure what I'm missing? This isn't a problem with NHL, but a problem with CXI - where the flights only go NAN-CXI-HNL-CXI-NAN once a week. Getting off HNL isn't the problem, it's a problem with choosing between 10 hours and 7 days + 2 hours in CXI.

pandaperth Apr 30, 2024 8:11 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36199375)
Not sure what I'm missing? This isn't a problem with NHL, but a problem with CXI - where the flights only go NAN-CXI-HNL-CXI-NAN once a week. Getting off HNL isn't the problem, it's a problem with choosing between 10 hours and 7 days + 2 hours in CXI.

Sorry, didn't explain myself at all well.
My FYI was you could substitute APW for CXI
HNL-APW, stopover in APW for as long, or short, as you like
APW-NAN

Of course, the whole point for you might be to go to CXI, not just any old South Pacific Island :D

ironmanjt Apr 30, 2024 8:24 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36199420)
Of course, the whole point for you might be to go to CXI, not just any old South Pacific Island :D

Ah, crystal clear now! Yeah, the whole point was CXI - I've actually been to all 193 UN countries (obviously includes APW) so now trying to find new places to visit. However, I think right now, 7+ days in CXI might just be a little much.

The only way I could do 10 hours on this trip in CXI would be to get rid of SEA-DCA-SFO in my plans, basically using the remaining 14 segments all at once instead of 4 now and 10 later (plan was BER-HEL-SEA-DCA, stop, then DCA-SFO-ANC-HNL-NAN-CXI-NAN-etc)

The third way would be to "park" the ticket in SEA, ANC, HNL, NAN, or Australia and find another way home leaving the remaining 4-6 segments for later....

Mwenenzi Apr 30, 2024 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36198870)
Haha yes definitely a learning curve! Frustrating that the Oneworld tool is so unreliable.

I tried to use expertflyer but can't figure out how to simulate the whole trip.

Getting to OW tool to work so that you have stopovers where you want vs transits (<24hrs) can take some, work as pandaperth's post 335.

SwedishGirl May 1, 2024 7:18 am

Thank you pandaperth!

I’ve played around some more with the ideas you gave me.

I’m torn between getting two more business class flights to Doha at the end of our ticket that we can use later in the year after our main trip to Fiji and New Zealand or going with a far cheaper fare that originates in Oslo.

I want to avoid BA and Heathrow because it is a hub of delays and cancellations which we do not want to risk as the main trip has fixed dates.

Not planning on any AA or BA flights so I might just have to book online at Oneworld and suffer the consequences of a ticket through Qantas.

izzik May 1, 2024 10:24 am


Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36201852)
Thank you pandaperth!

I’ve played around some more with the ideas you gave me.

I’m torn between getting two more business class flights to Doha at the end of our ticket that we can use later in the year after our main trip to Fiji and New Zealand or going with a far cheaper fare that originates in Oslo.

I want to avoid BA and Heathrow because it is a hub of delays and cancellations which we do not want to risk as the main trip has fixed dates.

Not planning on any AA or BA flights so I might just have to book online at Oneworld and suffer the consequences of a ticket through Qantas.

ex-OSL isn't limited to BA or LHR.. you can transit HEL on AY.

SwedishGirl May 1, 2024 11:06 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 36202332)
ex-OSL isn't limited to BA or LHR.. you can transit HEL on AY.

Thanks.

Yes I can get that route option in the Oneworld tool if I DON’T try to add an extra trip to Doha at the end of our trip. When I add the trip to Doha the tool forces me to travel out from Oslo via Heathrow. Thus my dilemma about choosing to start from Stockholm or Oslo. I can get prices for both these trips in business class but the trip starting in OSL is 14,000SEK cheaper (1350US$).

OSL-AKL via HEL and DOH, CHC-NAN, NAN-LAX, LAX-HEL, HEL-OSL

or

ARN-AKL via DOH, CHC-NAN, NAN-LAX, LAX-HEL, HEL-DOH, DOH-ARN


I’m reliant on finding a working itinerary on the Oneworld site because I don’t think I can book through AA or BA when I am avoiding their flights and a local travel agent can’t match the Oneworld price.

But any input on how I can get around this is welcome.

izzik May 1, 2024 2:00 pm

Do not consider this an endorsement.. but there is a FTer who offered to book RTW itineraries for a booking fee.
Perhaps s/he is able to price something comparable that meets your needs?
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...-services.html


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