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Dr. HFH May 12, 2024 7:48 am


Originally Posted by chan1108 (Post 36228026)
I had a DONE3 ticket, the last segment is LHR-CAI which has a stopover in DOH. I want to change the destination to AMM or IST. Will I pay another ex-England tax if I make this change?

Where you booked might be relevant. I know from experience that when you change the cities and your booking was with the AA RTW desk (and you call them to make the change), the AA rate desk only charges the difference in taxes. I recently changed my current itinerary, and the taxes on the new itinerary were lower. The difference consumed most of the change fee and I only had to pay USD $17.

Overall, I would guess that you don't have to pay the ex-England (or any) tax more than once, but you should def check. Why not call and ask? You'll obviously get a more definitive answer from an airline rate desk, and any answer you get here will be unhelpful, anyway.

chan1108 May 12, 2024 8:02 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36228083)
Where you booked might be relevant. I know from experience that when you change the cities and your booking was with the AA RTW desk (and you call them to make the change), the AA rate desk only charges the difference in taxes. I recently changed my current itinerary, and the taxes on the new itinerary were lower. The difference consumed most of the change fee and I only had to pay USD $17.

Overall, I would guess that you don't have to pay the ex-England (or any) tax more than once, but you should def check. Why not call and ask? You'll obviously get a more definitive answer from an airline rate desk, and any answer you get here will be unhelpful, anyway.

Thanks. Because I have not flown my first segment to lock the fare, thus I cannot call to ask them what should I pay for the changes.

SwedishGirl May 12, 2024 8:51 am

Are the rules different for a DONE and a Global Explorer ticket?

AA advised me when I booked my Global Explorer ticket last week that any route changes will incur a 125 dollar charge plus the difference in taxes.

ironmanjt May 12, 2024 8:54 am


Originally Posted by SwedishGirl (Post 36228184)
Are the rules different for a DONE and a Global Explorer ticket?

AA advised me when I booked my Global Explorer ticket last week that any route changes will incur a 125 dollar charge plus the difference in taxes.

Both charge for routing changes, and you'll always pay the tax difference. Other rules, of course, are different between the two.

jrobin May 12, 2024 9:33 am

AKL-Africa on DONE5 for new QF Platinum: QR vs QF experience
 
As a new QF Platinum going AKL-Malawi on a DONE5, Mrs Jrobin and I have a choice of
AKL-DOH on QR 921 (Airbus A350-1000 according to Expertflyer) and ~ 4hrs (10pm-2am) in Al Mourjan? lounge in DOH, then likely to LUN on Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner or
AKL-SYD on QF 140 (Boeing 737), perhaps an hour 8:00-9:00am in the QF International F Lounge, and QF63 SYD-JNB (Boeing 787-9), arriving same day (16 hours earlier than QR) so could have an overnight near JNB at a hotel and start adjusting to time change.

Our only prior experience International business class was JFK-HKG-PER on CX.
Any suggestions?
Thanks

Perisai May 12, 2024 9:41 am

I'm trying to make the simplest of changes (move a single segment by exactly one day, same flight number on the same route) and while I've gotten past the "call us" response from the Qantas team on twitter, I've now been advised that this will incur a 125 USD change fee.
The agent, upon my request, double checked this with the "the team" but came back with the same response.

Looking at the fare rules in expertflyer, I can see why they would want to say so, while the fare rules actually only specify the change fee for a no-show or changes to the ticketed points.
For changes, which don't do either, it just specifies that changes are permitted.
Spoiler
 

However the wiki and previous posts in this thread suggest that simple date changes should be free of charge.

Any advise on how to achieve date changes with Qantas without a change fee?

ironmanjt May 12, 2024 9:50 am


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36228269)
As a new QF Platinum going AKL-Malawi on a DONE5, Mrs Jrobin and I have a choice of
AKL-DOH on QR 921 (Airbus A350-1000 according to Expertflyer) and ~ 4hrs (10pm-2am) in Al Mourjan? lounge in DOH, then likely to LUN on Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner or
AKL-SYD on QF 140 (Boeing 737), perhaps an hour 8:00-9:00am in the QF International F Lounge, and QF63 SYD-JNB (Boeing 787-9), arriving same day (16 hours earlier than QR) so could have an overnight near JNB at a hotel and start adjusting to time change.

I did SYD-JNB a few weeks back, and would choose that option (and saving lots of time) over the QR option any day of the week. I am not at all a fan of the very open-cabin 787-8 QR seat, and that middle of the night connection and subsequent redeye to LUN is going to be rough. However, if it's your ultimate destination you can also consider adding in overnights to arrive more rested. I'd also overnight in SYD to spare yourself the super early departure from AKL.

ironmanjt May 12, 2024 9:51 am


Originally Posted by Perisai (Post 36228288)
However the wiki and previous posts in this thread suggest that simple date changes should be free of charge.

Any advise on how to achieve date changes with Qantas without a change fee?

They should be free. Hang up, call again. Such is life with the QF desk. It may sound terrible, but after a few dozen calls on my first DONE if I can instantly tell the agent is Fiji after a few sentences/questions "oops, something's on fire in the kitchen, gotta run, thanks for your help"

SwedishGirl May 12, 2024 9:58 am


Originally Posted by Perisai (Post 36228288)
I'm trying to make the simplest of changes (move a single segment by exactly one day, same flight number on the same route) and while I've gotten past the "call us" response from the Qantas team on twitter, I've now been advised that this will incur a 125 USD change fee.
The agent, upon my request, double checked this with the "the team" but came back with the same response.

Looking at the fare rules in expertflyer, I can see why they would want to say so, while the fare rules actually only specify the change fee for a no-show or changes to the ticketed points.
For changes, which don't do either, it just specifies that changes are permitted.
Spoiler
 

However the wiki and previous posts in this thread suggest that simple date changes should be free of charge.

Any advise on how to achieve date changes with Qantas without a change fee?

I was told last week by AA when I booked my global explorer ticket that date and time changes would not incur a charge, only route changes including no shows.

Perisai May 12, 2024 10:02 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36228303)
They should be free. Hang up, call again. Such is life with the QF desk. It may sound terrible, but after a few dozen calls on my first DONE if I can instantly tell the agent is Fiji after a few sentences/questions "oops, something's on fire in the kitchen, gotta run, thanks for your help"

Unfortunately this is the twitter contact channel 🙈

Might have to resort to the hotline.

dvs7310 May 12, 2024 10:35 am


Originally Posted by Perisai (Post 36228288)
I'm trying to make the simplest of changes (move a single segment by exactly one day, same flight number on the same route) and while I've gotten past the "call us" response from the Qantas team on twitter, I've now been advised that this will incur a 125 USD change fee.
The agent, upon my request, double checked this with the "the team" but came back with the same response.

Looking at the fare rules in expertflyer, I can see why they would want to say so, while the fare rules actually only specify the change fee for a no-show or changes to the ticketed points.
For changes, which don't do either, it just specifies that changes are permitted.
Spoiler
 

However the wiki and previous posts in this thread suggest that simple date changes should be free of charge.

Any advise on how to achieve date changes with Qantas without a change fee?


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36228303)
They should be free. Hang up, call again. Such is life with the QF desk. It may sound terrible, but after a few dozen calls on my first DONE if I can instantly tell the agent is Fiji after a few sentences/questions "oops, something's on fire in the kitchen, gotta run, thanks for your help"


Originally Posted by Perisai (Post 36228335)
Unfortunately this is the twitter contact channel 🙈

Might have to resort to the hotline.

It's been reported lately that QF is trying to charge for everything, regardless of the rules (this was reported pre-Cairo sale). With the twitter team I'd ask them to reference the rule that points to charging it? I'd dealt with them a year ago and they tried it but I pushed back and they did the change free after some back and forth. I seriously doubt you'll get anywhere with the call centers, but yes instantly hang up on anyone who sounds Fijian.

With QF quite often you have to teach them the rules of these fares, don't expect them to know it already. But the call centers aren't given the tools to learn, while the Twitter team is capable of learning. Hold your ground, go back and forth a bit, quote the fare rules, not Flyertalk and you'll likely prevail. The important part of the fare rules to quote is the difference between changes in ticketed points ($125) and date changes "changes allowed".

jrobin May 12, 2024 12:28 pm

AKL-Africa on DONE5: QR vs QF experience, JNB airport hotel suggestions
 

Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36228300)
I did SYD-JNB a few weeks back, and would choose that option (and saving lots of time) over the QR option any day of the week.

Thanks for this advice.
Any suggestions of airport hotels at JNB?


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36228300)
I am not at all a fan of the very open-cabin 787-8 QR seat, and that middle of the night connection and subsequent redeye to LUN is going to be rough..However, if it's your ultimate destination you can also consider adding in overnights to arrive more rested.

Malawi then Zambia and Victoria Falls are the ultimate destinations; LUN is just a little closer and more central than JNB to start.
Unfortunately I have no shortage of segments so can use one from JNB-LUN or HRE and not need to return to JNB.


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36228300)
I'd also overnight in SYD to spare yourself the super early departure from AKL.

Great idea about the overnight in SYD, but we are starting in RAR, and do not get to AKL until 6:25pm Last QF non-stop is at 4:05pm.
We might add in a night or two in Malawi after the night at JNB before our tour starts.



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ironmanjt May 12, 2024 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36228653)
Thanks for this advice.
Any suggestions of airport hotels at JNB?

The Protea is fine and close - alternately spend 20 minutes and $15 and head to Melrose Arch. Very walkable and safe neighborhood and you could go out for a nice dinner and see a little. Plenty of great hotels there: Marriott, Fire and Ice, African Pride, etc.


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36228653)
Malawi then Zambia and Victoria Falls are the ultimate destinations; LUN is just a little closer and more central than JNB to start. Unfortunately I have no shortage of segments so can use one from JNB-LUN or HRE and not need to return to JNB.

Is it your first time in Southern Africa? If you're not familiar there's really not much to do/see in Lusaka, and flights to the Falls are actually easier and more frequent from South Africa.​​​​​​​

dvs7310 May 12, 2024 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36228653)
Thanks for this advice.
Any suggestions of airport hotels at JNB?

In addition to what ironmanjt mentioned, in JNB I always stay at the Hilton in Sandton, it's also in a safe area, you can take the train back and forth to Sandton if you'd like vs. a taxi but you'll still need a taxi from Sandton station.


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36228653)
Malawi then Zambia and Victoria Falls are the ultimate destinations; LUN is just a little closer and more central than JNB to start.
Unfortunately I have no shortage of segments so can use one from JNB-LUN or HRE and not need to return to JNB.

Great idea about the overnight in SYD, but we are starting in RAR, and do not get to AKL until 6:25pm Last QF non-stop is at 4:05pm.
We might add in a night or two in Malawi after the night at JNB before our tour starts.

There's no longer a oneworld airline covering those segments, so using your xONEx segments isn't an option. Pre-COVID there was a BA franchise that was really handy but unfortunately went into bankruptcy and looks like we won't have another (sub-Saharan) African carrier until WB (Rwandair) joins.

Agree with ironmanjt, JNB is a lot more convenient of a transit hub in Southern Africa than LUN or HRE. Another potential advantage using JNB as your departure point is that you might get lucky with QR QSuites, while both LUN and HRE are 788s so you know the seat you're getting there.

From JNB you have options to both LLW and BLZ, from LUN it's LLW only. Not sure where you're ultimately going in Malawi but if just the cities I'd say Blantyre is the more interesting one. Having said that I'd advise going to Cape Maclear or Nkhata Bay if you have time. I did self-drive in Malawi and had zero issues there, you don't deal with so many police checkpoints like in certain neighboring countries.

ironmanjt May 12, 2024 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36229484)
In addition to what ironmanjt mentioned, in JNB I always stay at the Hilton in Sandton, it's also in a safe area, you can take the train back and forth to Sandton if you'd like vs. a taxi but you'll still need a taxi from Sandton station

with an evening arrival from Sydney, I would strongly recommend against the Hilton unless you are a diehard loyalist to the brand. As noted, while you can take the train there, you’ll then have to take an Uber from the train station to the hotel as it is close to a 1 km walk and once you’re there, you’ll have to take another Uber to get to dinner or anything else. the reason I mentioned the Melrose neighborhood is that once you take a direct Uber from the airport you’re in a walkable neighborhood for everything else you would want


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