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Old Feb 11, 2025 | 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by dutch_122
The same routing from Oslo, just been told by British Airways that you are not allowed hitting London 2 times, they see it as backtracking (unable to price in Amadeus).

While the exact same route in Travelport is pricing it, but unable to store the fare, reason, exceeds more then 20 taxes (must be done manually. so no guaranteed quote).

Created also on the RTW tool, valid routing but unable to price it because the flight from Miami to Los Angeles is in Y.

Any experts on this issue?
Giles_G thanks for your patience.
Any experts on this issue?
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Don't have access to full rules but the first LHR may not be allowed, unless some exception.
EU/UK-South America-North America-Asia-UK/EU-Africa-EU
For ARN-MADx-BOG surface BAQ-MIA-MIA-LAX-HND-BKK-CMB-BOM-LHR-NBO-LHR-ARN try BOM-DOH-NBO
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Old Feb 11, 2025 | 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by rob_88
I've got a QF plated DONE with an AA segment. From AA's MMB flow I can get a full fare and taxes breakdown, so I assume data sharing happens between all OW carriers on these regardless of ticketing carrier. Given how tightly coupled AA and BA's revenue based points systems are, I suspect BA will get segment based fare costs pretty easily. That said, I'll be crediting this to BA when I fly in a couple months, so will report back.
Do you mind sharing the breakdown if its easy to do? Curious how the money gets split (in part in case I do have to book some flights on the revenue airlines in the future).
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Old Feb 11, 2025 | 6:40 pm
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Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply Mwenenzi . I am thinking its just about OK because:

a. its not using the same two airports in the same direction (e.g. LHR-DOH twice)
b. Its not stopping in the same origin country more than once (ie. Sweden or Norway)
c. Its still only 2 stopovers within the origin continent
d. as you say I believe there is an exception where you are allowed to cross from Europe/ME to Africa once in each direction (see shouty rule quote below)

"ONLY ONE INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND ONE INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH CONTINENT EXCEPT AS FOLLOWS -
1. TWO PERMITTED IN NORTH AMERICA.
2. TWO PERMITTED IN ASIA.
3. TWO PERMITTED IN EUROPE/MIDDLE EAST FOR TRAVEL TO/FROM/VIA AFRICA. IF TRAVEL IS TO/FROM EUROPE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS ITINERARY MAY NOT INCLUDE MAURITIUS/SOUTH AFRICA."


The AA desk did OK this itinerary. However, it may be that you are meant to come back to your origin airport straight after the trip south? (I can't see this in the rules though, therefore dare I say the BA desk may have been wrong? We will find out.. )
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Old Feb 11, 2025 | 7:44 pm
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I am trying to book a DONE3 xTYO.

First leg is on JL from HND to BKK.

First long-haul/intercontinental routing is BKK-xHKG-oLAX on CX.

I contacted CX in Tokyo but they said to contact JAL as they are the carrier on the first leg.

How do I get this ticketed? Call JAL in the U.S.? Use the AA RTW desk, perhaps?

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Old Feb 12, 2025 | 1:52 am
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Originally Posted by Always Flyin
I am trying to book a DONE3 xTYO.

First leg is on JL from HND to BKK.

First long-haul/intercontinental routing is BKK-xHKG-oLAX on CX.

I contacted CX in Tokyo but they said to contact JAL as they are the carrier on the first leg.

How do I get this ticketed? Call JAL in the U.S.? Use the AA RTW desk, perhaps?
Using the AA rtw desk is the easiest option to book (and later make changes).
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Old Feb 12, 2025 | 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
Don't have access to full rules but the first LHR may not be allowed, unless some exception.
EU/UK-South America-North America-Asia-UK/EU-Africa-EU
For ARN-MADx-BOG surface BAQ-MIA-MIA-LAX-HND-BKK-CMB-BOM-LHR-NBO-LHR-ARN try BOM-DOH-NBO

Mwenenzi,

Thank you.

Routing below.

For OSL-MAD-BOG surface BAQ-MIA-LAX-HND-BKK-CMB-BOM-DOH-NBO-DOH-LHR-OSL (also when travelling NBO-DOH-LHR-OSL) prices it as DGLOB34.

What i am missing here?


British Airways confirmed again today not valid backtracking story (even with the screenshot from Oneworld RTW tool).

American Airways very firm valid.

Qatar Airways hesitating, but also valid as long it does autoprice.

Iberia no comment, useless.

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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 3:17 am
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What are the experiences with refunding ongoing DONEx ticket? Can they (e.g. QF) calculate the remaining amount easily, and are there any pitfalls apart from the 5% fee? I'd like to ask how they calculate it in the first place but :-)

We have done EUR-APAC-ASIA legs with ASIA-to-NA, local NA, and back to EU flights remaining and for our travel needs, cancelling the ticket is a viable option.
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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by dutch_122
American Airways very firm valid.
If that's the case, why not just ticket with AA?
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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 4:57 am
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Originally Posted by ojala
What are the experiences with refunding ongoing DONEx ticket? . . . We have done EUR-APAC-ASIA legs with ASIA-to-NA, local NA, and back to EU flights remaining and for our travel needs, cancelling the ticket is a viable option.
Not really viable. If you fail to complete your ticket, the airline has the right to reprice the flights you did take as a series of one-way flights, undoubtedly much more expensive than the cost of your DONEx ticket. If your situation is that you don't need the remaining flights, you may want to fly them anyway, both to earn the extra miles and to avoid oppressive repricing by the rules. If you can't fly the remaining flights, I would suggest changing the dates to as far out as you can then just don't fly them. It's very unlikely that the airline will realize that you never completed the ticket, and anecdotal evidence in various FT threads confirms this.
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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 8:34 am
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
Not really viable. If you fail to complete your ticket, the airline has the right to reprice the flights you did take as a series of one-way flights, undoubtedly much more expensive than the cost of your DONEx ticket. If your situation is that you don't need the remaining flights, you may want to fly them anyway, both to earn the extra miles and to avoid oppressive repricing by the rules. If you can't fly the remaining flights, I would suggest changing the dates to as far out as you can then just don't fly them. It's very unlikely that the airline will realize that you never completed the ticket, and anecdotal evidence in various FT threads confirms this.
(It's never been clear to me that the airline has the "right" to do this. I find it hard to imagine a judge in a small claims court in the UK enforcing such a claim against a consumer. To believe that such a right existed, I would want to see unambiguous wording in a contract of carriage and a history of case law supporting that such a right was actually enforceable. In any case, I have dropped dozens of sectors in my time and never once heard anything about it.)
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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 9:06 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
(It's never been clear to me that the airline has the "right" to do this. I find it hard to imagine a judge in a small claims court in the UK enforcing such a claim against a consumer. To believe that such a right existed, I would want to see unambiguous wording in a contract of carriage and a history of case law supporting that such a right was actually enforceable. In any case, I have dropped dozens of sectors in my time and never once heard anything about it.)
See rule 16(b)3:
For partially used transportation the refund if any will be the difference between the fare paid and the fare for the transportation used less the fee specified in (1) above.

The reference to "fare for the transportation used" can only be the point-to-point fare because if you don't fly the entire itinerary, you are not eligible for a DONEx fare. See the relevant part of rule 4(c):
Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point . . . .
Since you would not be terminating at the same point, you are not eligible for this fare. Oh, and it wouldn't be in Small Claims Court, -- the point-to-point fare would far exceed the Small Claims limit.


Think that you can beat them on this? Give it a shot and let us know how it turns out!


I stand by my previous recommendation, -- move the dates out as far as possible on flights that are not going to be flown and then just forget about it. It would be almost impossible for the airlines to find you. And there's always the possibility that you may find a use for those segments at some point in the future before the ticket expires.
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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 10:01 am
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
The reference to "fare for the transportation used" can only be the point-to-point fare because if you don't fly the entire itinerary, you are not eligible for a DONEx fare.
I'm not sure how you square "refund if any" to mean "refund if any, or also maybe you owe us".

In any case, I won't change my mind until I see BA vs FlyerTalker cited with approval by a senior court.
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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
I stand by my previous recommendation, -- move the dates out as far as possible on flights that are not going to be flown and then just forget about it. It would be almost impossible for the airlines to find you. And there's always the possibility that you may find a use for those segments at some point in the future before the ticket expires.
On the substance of the matter, we agree.
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Old Feb 14, 2025 | 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
In any case, I won't change my mind until I see BA vs FlyerTalker cited with approval by a senior court.
The issuing airline doesn't have to sue. it can and will just charge the same card used to buy the ticket. And, as stated above, if the passenger wants to sue to try to recover the money, s/he will not be in small claims court, so s/he will be coming up with money for a lawyer . . . who will have to convince the court that the rules either don't say what they clearly do, or that they don't apply to this passenger.

But by all means, stick to your guns! And let us know how it turns out!!
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Old Feb 14, 2025 | 10:31 pm
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Having an issue with availability on a specific Cathay flight. Expert Flyer showing loads of availability, but AA RTW desk can't see it. I have 4 Cathay segments and 3 of them were fine (lots of availability seemingly matching what I was seeing on Expert Flyer). The one causing issue is CTS-HKG on 26 June. Expert Flyer shows D7 but AA were only seeing 1 seat.

Is there any other way of checking availability other than just calling AA to check it every now and then?
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