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dvs7310 May 21, 2024 10:55 pm


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36250489)
If I recall correctly, the xCai price I got from the tool was 10k+ AUD for 2 pax DONE3
when I add CAI as last segment after DOH, it jumps to 17k, which is why I thought it wasn't working.

Now thinking retrospectively, probably it upgraded the whole RTW to A because of last leg?

No, it's standard on DONEx for QR segments in the middle east to book into A, it still remains a DONEx ticket. There was something else triggering the difference and likely somewhere else in the itinerary. Hard to say without running the full itinerary myself, but the ex-CAI fare isn't there anymore and at the time at least, the tool was blocking all ex-CAI itineraries just before the price adjustment.

In your earlier post it sounds like you were actually looking at a DGLOB34 even without knowing it if it was showing you JL affiliated LCCs, must have been Jetstar Japan but that wouldn't be allowed on a DONEx. But that alone isn't the price difference, there was almost no difference in price between DGLOB34, DONE3, DONE4, and DONE5, only the DONE6 was a good bit higher, but not that much higher.

izzik May 22, 2024 5:46 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36250472)
Thanks a lot! I will try to add one stop in Middle East after DOH


Thanks for pointing that out, my initial thoughts to add additional stop within ME is to try out Al-Salwa, but the tool cant handle for me. I will try go through agent, this is my last leg. Thus no hurry
On Tokyo to Seoul, i should have pick the low cost airlines code share with JL. It shown up in the tool, but I went for true blue JL flight, without realizing I lost out 2 surface segment, because JL flight is departing from HND and landing in GMP.


Thanks to all valuable advice.
I will do the below,
1. For current HND - GMP, I will ask to change to NRT - INC. Not sure if there is any charges, if this can be done, then I can saved 2 surface segments.

Are these within the rules?

JAL doesn't fly NRT ICN. They are only HND GMP and even then, they rely heavily on codeshares on KE metal.

Agreed with earlier comment on how you can get cheap mileage awards to Seoul from Tokyo.. don't waste segments bc of ARNK.

danger May 22, 2024 6:17 am


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36249161)
Nope, it's the entire journey. Actually let me rephrase that... I have 2 ex-TYO tickets to reference, one QF issued and one CX issued. The CX one doesn't have a sniff of YQ on it, just a small amount of YR. The QF one has 30,000 JPY of YQ on it and similar YR to the CX ticket. It's nothing like the $1000-3000 YQ you get on ex-CAI or ex-OSL tickets. I'd love to know which carrier the YQ on the QF ticket was attributed to, I'd say quite likely QF itself but even at 30,000 JPY it's miniscule when that itinerary had HND-SYD and SYD-DFW on it as QF codes. My other carriers on that ticket were quite similar to my CX ticket, AA, QR, JL, I think that's it. I always pack a bunch of QR segments onto these, I did have AKL-DFW on a QF code on the CX ticket but they must not charge the QF YQ ex-TYO (again assuming that's the carrier that triggered it on the QF ticket).

Do we know the YQ on ex-Japan tickets is so little, even when on carriers that traditionally charge high? Is there some kind of legal restriction in place in Japan?

kayzng May 22, 2024 6:26 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 36251326)
JAL doesn't fly NRT ICN. They are only HND GMP and even then, they rely heavily on codeshares on KE metal.

Agreed with earlier comment on how you can get cheap mileage awards to Seoul from Tokyo.. don't waste segments bc of ARNK.

Hi, what is ARNK?

izzik May 22, 2024 8:58 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36251404)
Hi, what is ARNK?

ARNK (commonly pronounced as "arunk") is a shortened way of saying Arrival Unknown. This happens when you have a break in flights, like open jaw.
In the context of OW rtw tix, it's the surface segment that gets added when you arrive at NRT but depart from HND.

SPN Lifer May 22, 2024 8:59 am

HK = Holding [K]Confirmed (specific flight)
​ARNK = Arrival Unknown (surface segment)
​​​​​
This is how they are listed on the airlines' and travel agents' itineraries.​​​​​​

jrobin May 22, 2024 9:57 am

Short-checking bags to DUB: next day flight, ~20 hours apart, different airlines
 
We are booked on a DONE5 and the last segments are BA and QR:JNB-xLHR-xDUB-xDOH
We arrive DUB at 12:25pm, have the afternoon, evening and overnight there, and depart the next day at 8:15am.

1. Will we be able to check our bags with BA JNB-DUB so we can have them at our hotel to overnight there?
Or will they be checked through JNB-DOH?
Or will we have a choice?

2. Can or should we get this requested/approved in advance?

Thanks

dvs7310 May 22, 2024 10:28 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36251385)
Do we know the YQ on ex-Japan tickets is so little, even when on carriers that traditionally charge high? Is there some kind of legal restriction in place in Japan?

I actually don't know why. Brazil has always restricted YQ (believe they still do and wish other legislative bodies would follow suit), Japan, Hong Kong, and the Philippines have all had varying levels of restrictions on it too, but Japan mostly dropped theirs not too long ago. It may be a legacy thing built into the ex-Japan xONEx fare. There was a point where you couldn't issue a ticket ex-Japan with more than a few thousand yen of YQ (which is a drop in the bucket). They force(d) carriers to price their fares correctly and for countries that do it, it typically means more tax revenue since it seems YQ isn't taxed (or not taxed the same) like base fare. If the xONEx's ever start attracting full YQ ex-Japan then it'll be game over, it'll no longer be competitive.

But I can say for certain that Japan isn't banning it currently since my last several AA fares to the US have been exactly 50% YQ. I do know how to fuel dump but it would mean riding in economy which I'm not going to do, the only reason I buy AA economy is to burn my SWUs. AA is a manual process on SWUs sadly, so you can't (safely) fuel dump the itinerary, there's going to be human eyes on it. Back in my UA days I used to do it regularly since those SWUs were automated, was quite adept at shaving the vast majority of UA's TPAC YQs back then.

dvs7310 May 22, 2024 10:37 am


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36251926)
We are booked on a DONE5 and the last segments are BA and QR:JNB-xLHR-xDUB-xDOH
We arrive DUB at 12:25pm, have the afternoon, evening and overnight there, and depart the next day at 8:15am.

1. Will we be able to check our bags with BA JNB-DUB so we can have them at our hotel to overnight there?
Or will they be checked through JNB-DOH?
Or will we have a choice?

2. Can or should we get this requested/approved in advance?

Thanks

No way you're going to get it approved in advance in any way that's enfocable. But a 20 hour layover is a pretty solid argument for picking up the bags (short checking). I'd put your chances fairly high, but even if they don't allow it, BA has no real weight restrictions on your carry on, so just take what you need for the overnight there. No one at BA is going to bat an eye at a full size rollaboard. Also even if you don't want to do that, Ireland is packed full of Aldi and Lidl stores, you can get essentials quite easily for very little cost. (Not clothes but pretty much anything else). If you're thinking larger liquids, LHR duty free is competitively priced as well and Ireland is EU, UK is not, so you can take your duty free there.

Another thought, if you absolutely need your bags there, you can change your itinerary to take the 2pm departure on QR instead, that forces it into a stopover, but likely triggers the $125 change fee.

jerry a. laska May 22, 2024 11:31 am


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36251926)
We are booked on a DONE5 and the last segments are BA and QR:JNB-xLHR-xDUB-xDOH
We arrive DUB at 12:25pm, have the afternoon, evening and overnight there, and depart the next day at 8:15am.

1. Will we be able to check our bags with BA JNB-DUB so we can have them at our hotel to overnight there?
Or will they be checked through JNB-DOH?
Or will we have a choice?

2. Can or should we get this requested/approved in advance?

Thanks

You should have no problem having BA check the bags JNB-(LHR)-DUB with a long overnight layover at DUB. Just ask for them to be checked to DUB.

There are no methods for advance requests/approvals.

jrobin May 22, 2024 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 36252195)
You should have no problem having BA check the bags JNB-(LHR)-DUB with a long overnight layover at DUB. Just ask for them to be checked to DUB.

Thanks for this. I could change the ticket to be a stopover in DUB if that would prove helpful.

I ask because we are now thinking we may forgo the last flight DUB-DOH and just stay in DUB. Having our luggage go to DOH without us would not be helpful.

dvs7310 May 22, 2024 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 36252421)
Thanks for this. I could change the ticket to be a stopover in DUB if that would prove helpful.

I ask because we are now thinking we may forgo the last flight DUB-DOH and just stay in DUB. Having our luggage go to DOH without us would not be helpful.

As jerry a. laska mentioned, it'll likely be ok, but if you want to be absolutely certain I'd change the QR flight to the 2pm departure then.

I doubt QR would actually fly your bags if you were a no-show on the flight, but you never know. However it would likely cause a disruption to the flight to offload your bags and leave them in DUB.

Keep in mind too that that last segment might be useful for positioning for another deal later. No show penalty is $125, but not sure how long it stays valid for, when I inquired with CX about it they told me I have to call to reschedule right away, but I would have thought it was ok to reschedule it anytime before the ticket validity expires. So if you end up wanting to keep that segment alive, you can just schedule it for some placeholder date near the end of the ticket validity and change it again later (free change that time)

sony2012 May 24, 2024 7:09 am

I am trying to change my ticket with Qantas after the first leg but it is a nightmare. Every time they come up with different (and wrong) tax quotes and they are wildly different from each other for the same route (180AUD to 2700AUD). Even the twitter team is pretty useless. Just two questions:
1. Can I add an independent segment according to the rules? An example is let's say the current ticket is flying into hkg and flying out of TYO but I want to add PEK-TYO in the between as a side trip as an independent segment (not attached to any other flights on the same day). One of the agents said that is not possible as per fare rule but she seemed clueless on other things, so I am not sure if I can trust her words
2. I would like to try my luck with AA oneworld desk and I googled their number but nothing came up. Which number should I ring in the US?

pandaperth May 24, 2024 8:35 am


Originally Posted by sony2012 (Post 36256432)
I am trying to change my ticket with Qantas after the first leg but it is a nightmare. Every time they come up with different (and wrong) tax quotes and they are wildly different from each other for the same route (180AUD to 2700AUD). Even the twitter team is pretty useless. Just two questions:
1. Can I add an independent segment according to the rules? An example is let's say the current ticket is flying into hkg and flying out of TYO but I want to add PEK-TYO in the between as a side trip as an independent segment (not attached to any other flights on the same day). One of the agents said that is not possible as per fare rule but she seemed clueless on other things, so I am not sure if I can trust her words
2. I would like to try my luck with AA oneworld desk and I googled their number but nothing came up. Which number should I ring in the US?

1. First to make sure I am understanding your question:
In your example you have a surface segment between HKG and TYO
And you want to insert a flight segment PEK-TYO
And so you will still have a surface segment there, but now it will be between HKG and PEK.
So two segments now, instead of the one segment before.

If that is correct, then:
  • you are adding another segment to your itinerary. If you already had used all 16 allowed segments, then you cannot do it
  • you are adding another flight segment to the Asian part of your itinerary. If you had already had the allowed four flight segments in Asia, then you cannot do it
  • If you are flying in to HND (Tokyo Haneda) and flying out of NRT (Tokyo Narita), or the other way round, that adds another surface segment to your itinerary; does this exceed the 16 allowed?

Otherwise, what you want to do should be fine, as far as I can see.

2. The AA Around-the-World Desk's number is +1 800 247 3247

jerry a. laska May 24, 2024 11:31 am


Originally Posted by sony2012 (Post 36256432)
I am trying to change my ticket with Qantas after the first leg but it is a nightmare. Every time they come up with different (and wrong) tax quotes and they are wildly different from each other for the same route (180AUD to 2700AUD). Even the twitter team is pretty useless. Just two questions:
1. Can I add an independent segment according to the rules? An example is let's say the current ticket is flying into hkg and flying out of TYO but I want to add PEK-TYO in the between as a side trip as an independent segment (not attached to any other flights on the same day). One of the agents said that is not possible as per fare rule but she seemed clueless on other things, so I am not sure if I can trust her words
2. I would like to try my luck with AA oneworld desk and I googled their number but nothing came up. Which number should I ring in the US?

To add on the pandaperth ’s response, it isn’t really useful to refer to TYO when trying to book or to seek assistance as the concept of coterminals does not apply with regard to xonex tickets. As noted by pandaperth, if you fly AAA-NRT, HND-BBB you are using a additional segment for “-NRT, HND-“ which you may or may not have depending upon your routing.

Also without setting out your entire routing (and the proposed routing you are trying to change to) we are left guessing as to what rules might be implicated by your proposed changes and whether the QF agents are correct or woefully misinformed as some of them are.


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