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ironmanjt May 7, 2024 10:35 am


Originally Posted by sony2012 (Post 36216942)
When I use ita matrix and restrict it to booking class D, I see there are tickets available in D but when I use oneworld page to book a new ticket that includes the flight segment, it doesn't show up

Most important to know is if your segments are married or not on the ticket. If you get your ticket, you should see a line like:

*S-21APR24CAI BA X/LON BA BER AY HEL AY X/SEA AS WAS AS
X/SFO AS ANC AS HNL FJ CXI FJ NAN FJ MEL QF ADL MH X/KUL MH
BKK QR X/DOH QR CAI2808.76NUC2808.76END ROE50.20 PD XF
HNL4.5

the "X/LON" indicates that segment is a connection, so it has to be available in D as CAI-LON-BER - which may have less availability than the individual segments.

Idk how accurate ITA matrix is, but I've still had cases where I find it on ExpertFlyer, but QF claims it's not there. You can HUCA, but I've found for some reason QF/OW don't always have all D availability available...can't say why...

edited: for readability/formatting

wingzing May 7, 2024 7:41 pm

I have had a similar problem several times recently booking DONEs with the AA RTW desk. I see D class availability on QF. AA agent also sees D class availability. But the seats come back “unconfirmed” by Qantas. No explanation given.

ademanuele May 8, 2024 1:47 am

We finally booked our first RTW yesterday (CX were vey late in releasing their timetable for a couple of routes), a big thank you for all the help from the forum in planning the trip, much appreciated.

I used a travel agent this time as this is actually a big holiday with my wife and I had a lot of other travel arrangements to make (and was on a learning curve with RTW), but I will likely do another RTW and book directly going forward. Below is what we finally booked and the cost for the DONE5 was £6280 per person. Would we have saved much doing it ourselves?

I should add that I was fortunate to have worked with a very good travel agent who was prepared to read/understand the rules, I have found that some agents and airlines just do not understand the rules and will not consider a route such as this.

OSL-DOH-NBO-DOH-PER-SYD-CHC-SYD-KUL-BOM-HKG-JFK-DOH-MAN-DOH-OSL
15 segments with one surface segment (in bold) and stopovers in red.
This equates to 1800 TPs and 51,295 miles. We have registered our BA exec numbers, will all our TPs and Avios automatically credit?

For future reference, what is the correct way (notation) of expressing a RTW trip to indicate surface segments, stopovers and transfers?

EDIT - we used the AA code for JFK-DOH as I will be GGL by the time we start the trip and this should give us access to the Chelsea Lounge.

pandaperth May 8, 2024 2:36 am

On FT we assume everything is a stopover, unless otherwise indicated, so:
OSL-xDOH-NBO-xDOH-PER,SYD-CHC-xSYD-xKUL-BOM-HKG-JFK-xDOH-MAN-xDOH-OSL
Transits indicated with a lowercase 'x'
Surface segments indicated with a comma (or a double slash '//')

ETA
And congrats on your booking :tu:

dvs7310 May 8, 2024 2:54 am


Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 36218664)

OSL-DOH-NBO-DOH-PER-SYD-CHC-SYD-KUL-BOM-HKG-JFK-DOH-MAN-DOH-OSL
15 segments with one surface segment (in bold) and stopovers in red.
This equates to 1800 TPs and 51,295 miles. We have registered our BA exec numbers, will all our TPs and Avios automatically credit?

Very nice itinerary, should be a great trip. The only suggestion I'd make on it, especially if you end up making other changes that trigger the $125 fee is your SYD-xxx-BOM.

Personally I'd much rather do it on CX than MH, but CX is a morning departure from SYD and MH is a late evening departure. The CX experience is quite a bit better though, both flights are in their long haul configuration (A359 and 77W on the dates I referenced) while MH is an A330 (generally fine) to KUL but a 737 to BOM.

The CX F lounge is quite a bit nicer than the MH Platinum Lounge. Both have restaurant style dining from a menu and actually MH does have a pretty good menu in there. My biggest gripe about the MH lounge is they have no liquor in the lounge, the bar is in the business lounge and you have to request what you want from the lounge staff each time. I did notice them getting more proactive after a while and asking if I need a refill, but I prefer either self service or a bartender right there. The MH Platinum lounge is also significantly smaller than CX's F lounge, and CX has the complementary massage in the spa. MH is also a pain if you have to transfer between the satellite terminal (all long haul flights) and the regional one (main building) since their train has been broken for quite some time and no definite timeline in getting it fixed, so currently they are running busses between the terminals.

MH is certainly not a 'bad' experience but it's not nearly as good as CX.

Mwenenzi May 8, 2024 3:22 am


Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 36218664)
We finally booked our first RTW yesterday (CX were vey late in releasing their timetable for a couple of routes), a big thank you for all the help from the forum in planning the trip, much appreciated.
<snip>
OSL-DOH-NBO-DOH-PER-SYD-CHC-SYD-KUL-BOM-HKG-JFK-DOH-MAN-DOH-OSL
15 segments with one surface segment (in bold) and stopovers in red.
<snip>
.

Congratulations on the booking. These *ONE* can be be addictive. :cool:

You may be taking the train or driving, but SYD-PER is a good longish route in business class (~4:00hrs)
QF fly SYD-BLR Bangalore & SYD-DEL in India.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ablu...=bm&PW=3&DU=mi
AU east coast to NZ (~3:30hrs) can be cheap on a range of airlines,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_destinations

ademanuele May 8, 2024 3:38 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36218806)
Congratulations on the booking. These *ONE* can be be addictive. :cool:

You may be taking the train or driving, but SYD-PER is a good longish route in business class (~4:00hrs)
QF fly SYD-BLR Bangalore & SYD-DEL in India.
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper
AU east coast to NZ (~3:30hrs) can be cheap on a range of airlines,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_destinations

We are taking the Indian Pacific PER-SYD

paul4471 May 8, 2024 7:44 am


Originally Posted by wingzing (Post 36218242)
I have had a similar problem several times recently booking DONEs with the AA RTW desk. I see D class availability on QF. AA agent also sees D class availability. But the seats come back “unconfirmed” by Qantas. No explanation given.

AA Agent told me they are seeing this more and more with QR, QF, CX etc and find it very frustrating has been escalated at some level to try and resolve but I wouldn't be holding my breath

paul4471 May 8, 2024 8:00 am

POINT OF INTEREST - for anyone who got on the recent ex-CAI deals but had to ticket with QF. I was on the phone to AA RTW desk making some changes to an ex-TYO AA ticketed booking and at the end of the call I asked if there was any chance they could help me with some difficulties in a QF ticketed DONE5. The agent was super helpful and said yep no problem and let's get that taken over by AA so we can get this all sorted.
30mins work and clean up of the QF Fiji call centre mess (4 x duplicated sectors on different dates, married segment issue etc and at least 10+ wasted hrs with QF call centre, and no promised call backs) and the ticket is now under AA control and the dates etc all fixed up.
So it can be done but caveat is that I'm AA llifetime Plat and the itin does have one intercontinental AA sector (DFW-SCL), not sure how much those things mattered.

ironmanjt May 8, 2024 8:09 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36219321)
So it can be done but caveat is that I'm AA llifetime Plat and the itin does have one intercontinental AA sector (DFW-SCL), not sure how much those things mattered.

WOW - very well done. I didn't try the RTW desk, but since I didn't have the confirmation number originally I begged the regular AA agents with zero result....and that was just to. same day change to an earlier flight! Four different agents wouldn't touch it.

I suspect your status really helped you here... wonder if they'd be nice to an Alaska MVP100....

dvs7310 May 8, 2024 8:41 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36219321)
POINT OF INTEREST - for anyone who got on the recent ex-CAI deals but had to ticket with QF. I was on the phone to AA RTW desk making some changes to an ex-TYO AA ticketed booking and at the end of the call I asked if there was any chance they could help me with some difficulties in a QF ticketed DONE5. The agent was super helpful and said yep no problem and let's get that taken over by AA so we can get this all sorted.
30mins work and clean up of the QF Fiji call centre mess (4 x duplicated sectors on different dates, married segment issue etc and at least 10+ wasted hrs with QF call centre, and no promised call backs) and the ticket is now under AA control and the dates etc all fixed up.
So it can be done but caveat is that I'm AA llifetime Plat and the itin does have one intercontinental AA sector (DFW-SCL), not sure how much those things mattered.

Quite interesting, I might try this after I fly my AA metal JL coded segments so they don't attempt to convert them back to AA codes. I think though at that point there's little I'll want to change, just dates as I'll have flown most of the itinerary and my final 2 stopping points likely won't change, but it may be advantageous to convert DOH into a stopover vs. transit back to CAI (or even change CAI to AUH or another ME destination if WY actually joins by then). QF seems to have a problem with 2 stopovers in the same place despite the online tool being quite happy to ticket it that way if you set it up initially.

headinclouds May 8, 2024 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36219423)
... but it may be advantageous to convert DOH into a stopover vs. transit back to CAI (or even change CAI to AUH or another ME destination if WY actually joins by then).

Even if WY joins, they were not a member of OW at the time of ticketing. The fare rules at the time of ticketing apply and WY was not a member at that time. Therefore you can't add them. This was a big deal when EI joined, then left as a member back in the 2000's.

My experience with AA taking over an itinerary booked with OW was successful, but a bit hit and miss. Since I wanted a JL 1st seat that AA could not see, but the OW website did, I booked the itinerary on the OW web site. The website said to ticket thru JL. I called AA and with some effort got it all onto AA. So it is possible, though I suspect ex-CAI is going to be difficult while other origins not so much.

ironmanjt May 15, 2024 2:02 pm

Hopefully this is the right thread for this:

Looking to change 4 segments on my 34,000 biz RTW from HNL-CXI-NAN-MEL-ADL to HNL-SYD-xxx-xxx-ADL

Right now I'm thinking SYD-LDH-SYD-ADL mainly because LDH flights are outrageously expensive otherwise. The downside? Economy only. Which economy bucket would this book into? Y or lower?

I'm not looking to "max out" the experience because I'm pretty close to 34,000 and this routing would only leave me about 400 miles on the table. Other suggestions?

Mwenenzi May 15, 2024 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36236105)
Hopefully this is the right thread for this:

Looking to change 4 segments on my 34,000 biz RTW from HNL-CXI-NAN-MEL-ADL to HNL-SYD-xxx-xxx-ADL

Right now I'm thinking SYD-LDH-SYD-ADL mainly because LDH flights are outrageously expensive otherwise. The downside? Economy only. Which economy bucket would this book into? Y or lower?

I'm not looking to "max out" the experience because I'm pretty close to 34,000 and this routing would only leave me about 400 miles on the table. Other suggestions?

The answer is in the written rules.

5. RESERVATIONS AND TICKETING
<snip>
(b) Booking Codes

<snip>
NOTE: For flights where First or Business Class is not offered or available, passengers may travel in a
lower class, in the applicable booking code for that lower class.
Where the applicable booking class for the lower class is not available, passengers travelling on First
Class fares may book Y Class.
Passengers travelling on DONE* Business Class fares may book B Class (except AA) or H Class on AA.


ironmanjt May 15, 2024 2:30 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 36236141)
The answer is in the written rules.

Thanks! Read them three times and missed that line....must be a sign my eyes are glazing over and I should quit for the day.


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