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For the NZ<---->AU (quarantine free) travel bubble various governmental permissions are needed in a addition to the usual passport/visa
AU permission (for NZ to AU)
AU Govt
In addition State/territory authority may be needed.
What is in effect at any time can be hard to determine. May also be required cross a state border
NZ permission (for AU to NZ)
No states, so a lot simpler.
NZ Govt
AU permission (for NZ to AU)
AU Govt
- COVID-19 and the border
- New Zealand safe travel zone
- Australia Travel Declaration
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Australia Travel Declaration
Before you travel to Australia, you should complete the Australia Travel Declaration at least 72 hours before your departure for Australia.
The Australia Travel Declaration collects your contact details in Australia, flight details, quarantine requirements and your health status
<snip> - 20 Aug 2021 Pause extended on New Zealand green zone flights
- 27 Aug 2021 Pause extended on New Zealand green zone flights
In addition State/territory authority may be needed.
What is in effect at any time can be hard to determine. May also be required cross a state border
- QLD Queensland border restrictions
- VIC https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/v...-permit-system
- NSW https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rule...r-restrictions
- NSW https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/trans...ion-queensland (QLD to NSW)
- WA https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/d...irus-travel-wa
- TAS E-Travel https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/travellers-and-visitors/coming-to-tasmania and https://coronavirus.tas.gov.au/travellers-and-visitors/coming-to-tasmania/travel-alert
- WA & TAS Good 2 go pass
- SA https://www.covid-19.sa.gov.au/emerg...-border-travel
- ACT https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/community/travel
- NT https://forms.nt.gov.au/Produce/wizard/9ffc58df-b0a5-422e-86e5-f260522c072a/?prepared=true&logGuid=7ea005fb-7884-42b1-9bca-c82adc1c0549
NZ permission (for AU to NZ)
No states, so a lot simpler.
NZ Govt
- You want to enter New Zealand
- Quarantine-free travel from Australia to New Zealand
- Travel declaration for New Zealand
- Pre-departure tests to enter New Zealand Likely to become permanent "COVID-19 sample taken and your result returned no more than 72 hours before the scheduled departure time of your first international departure"
Trans Tasman Bubble (including the Pacific Islands)
#91
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There is no way on earth that Immigration in NZ or Oz would agree to that if for no other reason than it would prevent them doing anything as far as trafficking and OCMG's are concerned, and those are both big concerns in the Pacific region right now.
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Some here may recall diversions to Ohakea by commercial aircraft where pax could not deplane, which was put down to the absence of resident/permanent staff from appropriate agencies at Ohakea (they needed to travel up from Wellington). Presumably for planned international arrivals/departures, the right customs/MPI staff are scheduled to attend.
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C130 and B757 have operated internationally from RNZAF air movements facilities at Whenuapai, Ohakea, Wellington and Christchurch. Necessarily then, the passenger/cargo facilities are able to meet usual MPI and customs requirements at all these locations - but I suspect that these are not fully integrated with civil air cargo network (I assume palletisation, loading and towing equipments suits RNZAF types only).
Some here may recall diversions to Ohakea by commercial aircraft where pax could not deplane, which was put down to the absence of resident/permanent staff from appropriate agencies at Ohakea (they needed to travel up from Wellington). Presumably for planned international arrivals/departures, the right customs/MPI staff are scheduled to attend.
Some here may recall diversions to Ohakea by commercial aircraft where pax could not deplane, which was put down to the absence of resident/permanent staff from appropriate agencies at Ohakea (they needed to travel up from Wellington). Presumably for planned international arrivals/departures, the right customs/MPI staff are scheduled to attend.
Also just thinking about it what is the fuel supply chain like? Can they get enough fuel to the airport if they were to regular commerical flights? Remember the issues had when the Marsden to Auckland fuel pipeline went down.
Passengers in all this almost seem the easy part.
The civilian commercial airports are the ones best set up to handle these movements with all the supporting infrastructure in place.
This is problem that can be solved with some masks, physical distancing, planning of arrival times and some temp walls in an airport, why move to a completely new untested airport?
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From another thread
And QF with Air NZ will have contacts with the Governments as to when the TT bubble may start.
For a while, until the (self inflicted) NZ issues with quarantine/isolation and now increasing cases in Victoria (probably self inflicted), was 75% certain the TT bubble would start 20 July. QF have been pushing back start of flights every few weeks.
For a while, until the (self inflicted) NZ issues with quarantine/isolation and now increasing cases in Victoria (probably self inflicted), was 75% certain the TT bubble would start 20 July. QF have been pushing back start of flights every few weeks.
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From NZ Herald 23July 2020 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12350293
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International bubbles
Foran confirmed Air NZ was looking "at some point" to start flying to the Pacific Islands.
But going back to Australia will be a lot longer.
He had been working with the Government on a Pacific Island travel bubble.
Foran said he has been asking the Government's Foreign Affairs Ministry about what Air NZ could do to help.
An important issue was how Air NZ would handle transit passengers.
He said the intermingling of transit passengers is still a big question that Air NZ is trying to "wrestle to the ground".
The airline has been aiming to fill their planes up with as much cargo as they could.
Air NZ is flying five flights a week to Shanghai, getting cargo into the Chinese market.
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International bubbles
Foran confirmed Air NZ was looking "at some point" to start flying to the Pacific Islands.
But going back to Australia will be a lot longer.
He had been working with the Government on a Pacific Island travel bubble.
Foran said he has been asking the Government's Foreign Affairs Ministry about what Air NZ could do to help.
An important issue was how Air NZ would handle transit passengers.
He said the intermingling of transit passengers is still a big question that Air NZ is trying to "wrestle to the ground".
The airline has been aiming to fill their planes up with as much cargo as they could.
Air NZ is flying five flights a week to Shanghai, getting cargo into the Chinese market.
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QF are offering seats for sale AU<--->NZ from 25 Oct. Air NZ are also now offering more seats/routes AU<--->NZ for sale from that same date. Both airlines will have the ear of Government officials. That date will have come from somewhere.
A TT bubble-travel from 25th October would be optimistic IMHO.
16 July 2020 news.com.au link---> New Zealand wants travel bridge with Cook Islands, not Australia
24 July 2020 news.com.au link---> Scott Morrison issues grim warning for future of international travel
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03 Aug 2020 stuff.co.nz Link---> Coronavirus: Jacinda Ardern says Victoria outbreak pushes trans-Tasman bubble well into the future
The community outbreak of Covid-19 in Melbourne has driven the possibility of a trans-Tasman travel bubble between New Zealand and Australia well into the distance, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says. Before such travel was possible Australia would need to have 28 continual days with no community transmission, Ardern said, suggesting that could be at least several months away.
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The Government has earlier mused about the possibility of opening up to Australia state-by-state, as many states are in a much better position than Victoria.
This would have to be approved by the Australian national cabinet however, and New Zealand would also need to be satisfied that restrictions on interstate travel were very strict. It appears that this strategy has been abandoned for the time being.
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The Government has earlier mused about the possibility of opening up to Australia state-by-state, as many states are in a much better position than Victoria.
This would have to be approved by the Australian national cabinet however, and New Zealand would also need to be satisfied that restrictions on interstate travel were very strict. It appears that this strategy has been abandoned for the time being.
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More likley to be first used first for the Pacific Islands
03 Aug 2020 (rnz.co.nz) ---> Travel bubble: Auckland Airport announces separate zones at terminal
03 Aug 2020 (stuff.co.nz) ---> Auckland Airport to be split in two in preparation for Cook Islands bubble
The other NZ bubble FT thread -->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...an-bubble.html
03 Aug 2020 (rnz.co.nz) ---> Travel bubble: Auckland Airport announces separate zones at terminal
03 Aug 2020 (stuff.co.nz) ---> Auckland Airport to be split in two in preparation for Cook Islands bubble
The other NZ bubble FT thread -->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...an-bubble.html
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I'd pick an announcement for the Cooks for the first week of Sept, with implementation for the end of Sept, bracketing the election nicely. Fiji and Samoa to follow by Nov. Tonga have shot themselves in the foot by allowing cruise and sailing ships in already.
All assuming no outbreaks in the respective countries in the interim.
All assuming no outbreaks in the respective countries in the interim.
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06 Aug 2020 (stuff.co.nz) ---> Is the 'Bula Bubble' dead? Here's Fiji's big problem for Kiwis
OPINION: Fiji Airways has daily flights to Auckland on sale next month. But the prospect of quarantine-free travel by then is fantasy.
First, the Fiji Government has a big decision to make. Open up just to Kiwis, or leave the door open for the lucrative - and considerably more risky - US and Asian markets.
Our Government will likely open a travel bubble to our realm countries Cook Island and Niue later this year, and it'll be swamped.
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Rarotonga and Cook Islands is simple for the New Zealand Government; it will stipulate that no other tourists from other countries will be allowed to visit. In Niue's case, that's easy, because the only flights are from Auckland.
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A similar regime is operating in French Polynesia after its borders opened last month. Before travellers arrive in Tahiti, they are required to obtain a Covid-19 test within three days of travel, and then self-test on day four. However, an American cruise ship passenger has already tested positive alongside a flight attendant. This approach means French Polynesia is firmly off-limits to Kiwis, potentially until a vaccine arrives.
So, will Fiji go down the French Polynesia path, eventually opening itself to more risk but potentially more reward? Or just open to New Zealand, and adopt a similar zero-tolerance approach? Because it can't have both.
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First, the Fiji Government has a big decision to make. Open up just to Kiwis, or leave the door open for the lucrative - and considerably more risky - US and Asian markets.
Our Government will likely open a travel bubble to our realm countries Cook Island and Niue later this year, and it'll be swamped.
<snip>
Rarotonga and Cook Islands is simple for the New Zealand Government; it will stipulate that no other tourists from other countries will be allowed to visit. In Niue's case, that's easy, because the only flights are from Auckland.
<snip>
A similar regime is operating in French Polynesia after its borders opened last month. Before travellers arrive in Tahiti, they are required to obtain a Covid-19 test within three days of travel, and then self-test on day four. However, an American cruise ship passenger has already tested positive alongside a flight attendant. This approach means French Polynesia is firmly off-limits to Kiwis, potentially until a vaccine arrives.
So, will Fiji go down the French Polynesia path, eventually opening itself to more risk but potentially more reward? Or just open to New Zealand, and adopt a similar zero-tolerance approach? Because it can't have both.
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I'd pick an announcement for the Cooks for the first week of Sept, with implementation for the end of Sept, bracketing the election nicely. Fiji and Samoa to follow by Nov. Tonga have shot themselves in the foot by allowing cruise and sailing ships in already.
All assuming no outbreaks in the respective countries in the interim.
All assuming no outbreaks in the respective countries in the interim.
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Delay to any trans-Tasman bubble
For anyone hoping the trans-Tasman bubble may be coming soon, Air NZ is saying they don’t expect it until at least March 2021, if not later.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/...ly-until-march
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/...ly-until-march