Apr 17, 2021, 9:51 pm
Last edit by: Mwenenzi
For the NZ<---->AU (quarantine free) travel bubble various governmental permissions are needed in a addition to the usual passport/visa
AU permission (for NZ to AU)
AU Govt
In addition State/territory authority may be needed.
What is in effect at any time can be hard to determine. May also be required cross a state border
NZ permission (for AU to NZ)
No states, so a lot simpler.
NZ Govt
AU permission (for NZ to AU)
AU Govt
- COVID-19 and the border
- New Zealand safe travel zone
- Australia Travel Declaration
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Australia Travel Declaration
Before you travel to Australia, you should complete the Australia Travel Declaration at least 72 hours before your departure for Australia.
The Australia Travel Declaration collects your contact details in Australia, flight details, quarantine requirements and your health status
<snip> - 20 Aug 2021 Pause extended on New Zealand green zone flights
- 27 Aug 2021 Pause extended on New Zealand green zone flights
In addition State/territory authority may be needed.
What is in effect at any time can be hard to determine. May also be required cross a state border
- QLD Queensland border restrictions
- VIC https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/v...-permit-system
- NSW https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rule...r-restrictions
- NSW https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/trans...ion-queensland (QLD to NSW)
- WA https://www.wa.gov.au/organisation/d...irus-travel-wa
- TAS E-Travel https://www.coronavirus.tas.gov.au/travellers-and-visitors/coming-to-tasmania and https://coronavirus.tas.gov.au/travellers-and-visitors/coming-to-tasmania/travel-alert
- WA & TAS Good 2 go pass
- SA https://www.covid-19.sa.gov.au/emerg...-border-travel
- ACT https://www.covid19.act.gov.au/community/travel
- NT https://forms.nt.gov.au/Produce/wizard/9ffc58df-b0a5-422e-86e5-f260522c072a/?prepared=true&logGuid=7ea005fb-7884-42b1-9bca-c82adc1c0549
NZ permission (for AU to NZ)
No states, so a lot simpler.
NZ Govt
- You want to enter New Zealand
- Quarantine-free travel from Australia to New Zealand
- Travel declaration for New Zealand
- Pre-departure tests to enter New Zealand Likely to become permanent "COVID-19 sample taken and your result returned no more than 72 hours before the scheduled departure time of your first international departure"
Trans Tasman Bubble (including the Pacific Islands)
Oct 17, 2020, 6:58 am
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You do realise that approximately 700 of those deaths occurred in federally regulated nursing homes? I.e. the direct responsibility of the federal government which has basically done nothing to support Victoria.
Oct 18, 2020, 10:21 am
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Coffee is federally regulated...
Oct 18, 2020, 3:27 pm
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Ummm...So it turns out Victoria's own health department's advice to travellers arriving from NZ was that they were permitted to enter the state. What a freakin' shambles that place is.
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/informat...om-new-zealand
Travelling to Victoria from New Zealand
Travelling to Victoria from New Zealand
A trans-Tasmin travel bubble is currently in place between New Zealand and parts of Australia. This allows travellers from New Zealand to arrive in New South Wales and the Northern Territory without having to quarantine for 14 days on arrival.
Currently the Victorian borders are open. If you are travelling from New Zealand and have passed all relevant immigration and biosecurity requirements as established by the Federal Government, New South Wales Government and Northern Territory Government, then you are able to travel to Victoria. You do not need to quarantine for 14 days on arrival in Victoria.
If you have travelled from New Zealand and you have symptoms associated to coronavirus (COVID-19) you should not travel to Victoria. If you do you may be subject to detention under the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 on your arrival.
You will be subject to the relevant health directions and restrictions in place during your stay in Victoria and may be subject to heavy penalties should you breach those.
Currently the Victorian borders are open. If you are travelling from New Zealand and have passed all relevant immigration and biosecurity requirements as established by the Federal Government, New South Wales Government and Northern Territory Government, then you are able to travel to Victoria. You do not need to quarantine for 14 days on arrival in Victoria.
If you have travelled from New Zealand and you have symptoms associated to coronavirus (COVID-19) you should not travel to Victoria. If you do you may be subject to detention under the Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 on your arrival.
You will be subject to the relevant health directions and restrictions in place during your stay in Victoria and may be subject to heavy penalties should you breach those.
Oct 18, 2020, 4:14 pm
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Ummm...So it turns out Victoria's own health department's advice to travellers arriving from NZ was that they were permitted to enter the state. What a freakin' shambles that place is.
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https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/informat...om-new-zealand
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https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/informat...om-new-zealand
- Has never been a restriction on entering Vic.
- NSW still has community transmission and no restriction on entering VIC.
- QLD had community transmission and no restriction on entering VIC.
- 1000's have come back to Vic, but have spent time in a quarantine hotel.
- Are many 100's of Vic AFL footballer, families, team hangers on, Eddie M, etc who all got an exemption to go QLD and will over time drift back to Vic now the season end is near the end. Does Dan want them to email him first to tell hem they are coming?.
- NZ has a better covid-19 record than QLD, NSW & VIC (1 case on NZ today from a person who worked on ships)
"Intended" does not mean where you will be tonight. Just some time. And not all people fill out these card correctly.
One news report is of Dan complaining some who arrived has gone to Byron Bay NSW (as several 100 thousand Victorians would like to do). Probably had a Victorian address on the landing card.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...4db4d77ed63d00
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He said they had now been informed 55 travellers from New Zealand had arrived.
“We are having to find these people,” he said.
“We are ringing them, one of them was in Byron Bay. And yet we were told they had landed and travelled to Melbourne.”
He said they had now been informed 55 travellers from New Zealand had arrived.
“We are having to find these people,” he said.
“We are ringing them, one of them was in Byron Bay. And yet we were told they had landed and travelled to Melbourne.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...t-yet/12779870
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Three of the travellers expected to arrive in Victoria did not end up crossing the border into the state and remain in NSW.
And one who was in Victoria returned to NSW on Sunday.
"Twenty-one of the 55 travellers arrived at Melbourne Airport … the remainder arrived using other modes of transport," the statement said.
Three of the travellers expected to arrive in Victoria did not end up crossing the border into the state and remain in NSW.
And one who was in Victoria returned to NSW on Sunday.
"Twenty-one of the 55 travellers arrived at Melbourne Airport … the remainder arrived using other modes of transport," the statement said.
Some politicians' and commentators seem to be assuming all the traveller are only NZ Citizens. But some will be Au citizens, dual citizens and NZ citizens normally resident in Au. Many mixed AU-NZ marriages/partners who have ended up in one country (AU or NZ).
And are people who did now want to spend 14 days in AU hotel isolation and/or did not want to pay ~$3000 for that privilege. They will go (back) to Au now and save the time and $$$,.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...2727c7348b7031
NZ travel bubble lashed in fiery interview Alexis Carey
ABC News Breakfast host Michael Rowland has locked horns with Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack over the Trans Tasman bubble.
The clash came following claims newly-arrived New Zealanders broke the rules to travel to Victoria, Western Australia and Tasmania, despite those states not signing up to the travel bubble.
That prompted Mr Rowland to ask why Australia should be accepting New Zealanders at all.
"Bottom line is, they are healthy New Zealanders so they're coming from areas…" Mr McCormack began, before being cut off by the host, who insisted "that's not the point".
"They haven't signed up to the travel bubble. They might be healthy or unhealthy. It's not just Victoria – WA and Tasmania haven't sign upped to the bubble. Why are they getting the New Zealanders?" Mr Rowland asked.
"They're putting, as I understand the New Zealanders into quarantine, so they, at the end of the day, have the jurisdictional responsibles for their own state borders. But they are also available to see the manifests of airlines," he said.
"They are, and they have been since October 16, those manifest, those passenger logs have been made available to governments, to Health Ministers, to health officers, protocol officers in the various states. And it has been discussed at National Cabinet ad nauseam."
ABC News Breakfast host Michael Rowland has locked horns with Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack over the Trans Tasman bubble.
The clash came following claims newly-arrived New Zealanders broke the rules to travel to Victoria, Western Australia and Tasmania, despite those states not signing up to the travel bubble.
That prompted Mr Rowland to ask why Australia should be accepting New Zealanders at all.
"Bottom line is, they are healthy New Zealanders so they're coming from areas…" Mr McCormack began, before being cut off by the host, who insisted "that's not the point".
"They haven't signed up to the travel bubble. They might be healthy or unhealthy. It's not just Victoria – WA and Tasmania haven't sign upped to the bubble. Why are they getting the New Zealanders?" Mr Rowland asked.
"They're putting, as I understand the New Zealanders into quarantine, so they, at the end of the day, have the jurisdictional responsibles for their own state borders. But they are also available to see the manifests of airlines," he said.
"They are, and they have been since October 16, those manifest, those passenger logs have been made available to governments, to Health Ministers, to health officers, protocol officers in the various states. And it has been discussed at National Cabinet ad nauseam."
The Au country border are controlled by the Federal Government. Once people leave the airport the laws of State governments apply
All the Covid-19 restrictions are by State government laws & regulations
19 Oct 2020 (news.com.au)--->Coronavirus Australia live: Daniel Andrews slams New Zealand travel bubble disaster
Only Dictator Dan seems to thinks its a disaster.
And
NSW Health Minister 'confused' by Dan's stanceAlexis Carey
NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard has told reporters he was "a little confused" by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews opposition to the arrival of New Zealanders in the state.
"The advice I had was that Victoria had actually accepted that arrangement," Mr Hazzard said during a press conference on Monday.
He pointed out Victoria's health department website mentioned New Zealanders were able to travel on from Sydney under the bubble.
However, in his own press conference today, Mr Andrews said the website was only updated last night after it became clear Victoria was in the bubble after all, despite the state opting out.
"From our point of view, NSW Health and Border Force have done everything that we were asked to do," Mr Hazzard said.
"And the fact that NSW has always been the gateway to the rest of the world, and the gateway the rest of Australia is exactly what Victoria did know. So, hopefully Victoria can sort out their issues".
NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard has told reporters he was "a little confused" by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews opposition to the arrival of New Zealanders in the state.
"The advice I had was that Victoria had actually accepted that arrangement," Mr Hazzard said during a press conference on Monday.
He pointed out Victoria's health department website mentioned New Zealanders were able to travel on from Sydney under the bubble.
However, in his own press conference today, Mr Andrews said the website was only updated last night after it became clear Victoria was in the bubble after all, despite the state opting out.
"From our point of view, NSW Health and Border Force have done everything that we were asked to do," Mr Hazzard said.
"And the fact that NSW has always been the gateway to the rest of the world, and the gateway the rest of Australia is exactly what Victoria did know. So, hopefully Victoria can sort out their issues".
19 Oct 2020 (abc,net.au)---> New Zealand travel bubble causes confusion among Sydney Airport arrivals
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Melbourne man Matt Gadsby had been visiting his two-year-old son in New Zealand when the travel corridor with NSW and the Northern Territory was announced. He did his research and said he found nothing to suggest he would not be able to travel on home to Victoria once he landed in Sydney — so he went for it.
<snip>
At Sydney Airport on Monday night, New Zealanders Roger and Glenda Haynes arrived on Qantas Flight 146 — seven months after their planned move to Australia. They had sold their house in Auckland and were ready to embark on their dream move across the ditch but their plans went awry when Australia and New Zealand's borders closed.
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James Lee was on the same flight. The 18-year-old from Canterbury came as part of his gap year to drive tractors in Moree.
<snip>
Melbourne man Matt Gadsby had been visiting his two-year-old son in New Zealand when the travel corridor with NSW and the Northern Territory was announced. He did his research and said he found nothing to suggest he would not be able to travel on home to Victoria once he landed in Sydney — so he went for it.
<snip>
At Sydney Airport on Monday night, New Zealanders Roger and Glenda Haynes arrived on Qantas Flight 146 — seven months after their planned move to Australia. They had sold their house in Auckland and were ready to embark on their dream move across the ditch but their plans went awry when Australia and New Zealand's borders closed.
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James Lee was on the same flight. The 18-year-old from Canterbury came as part of his gap year to drive tractors in Moree.
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20 Oct 2020 (stuff.co.nz)----> Trans-Tasman bubble: Woman sets the record straight amid controversy over New Zealanders entering Melbourne
A woman who travelled from New Zealand to Melbourne says the Victorian government is making them feel like criminals when they entered the state in "good faith".Sue, originally from Melbourne, took a domestic flight to Melbourne after landing in Sydney on the first flight of the trans-Tasman bubble on Friday. She booked the flights through a travel agent as she was desperate to attend her father's funeral in Melbourne. Sue told 9News the travel agent called the state's Department of Home Affairs who advised she was able to enter from NSW due to Victoria's borders being open.
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Disclaimer
Dual AU NZ citizen now in NZ, having escaped Victoria
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Oct 18, 2020, 10:34 pm
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I’ve genuinely been quite stunned with some of the reactions to this over the last few days. Given the fact the 14 day quarantine is still in place when returning to NZ, and the one way ticket numbers, it’s pretty obvious that the vast majority of people returning are either Australian citizens coming home who couldn’t afford/didn’t want to pay/endure the quarantine or family/significant others who couldn’t return under the old rules but now can. This is a really good news story, there’s a lot of people who were suffering who are getting home or being reunited with loved ones and a couple of state premiers who don’t seem to understand the difference between a national and state border. Dan needs to worry less about someone breaking ‘his’ rules and more about the health outcomes.
Disclaimer - also Aus/NZ dual but thankfully living in Sydney while my brother and his family are trapped in Melbourne.
Disclaimer - also Aus/NZ dual but thankfully living in Sydney while my brother and his family are trapped in Melbourne.
Oct 19, 2020, 12:25 am
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This is a really good news story, there’s a lot of people who were suffering who are getting home or being reunited with loved ones and a couple of state premiers who don’t seem to understand the difference between a national and state border. Dan needs to worry less about someone breaking ‘his’ rules and more about the health outcomes..
"Once again Daniel Andrews has shown a blatant disregard for Victorians. Whilst Melburnians have been locked inside their homes for 3 months and business have suffered, he's suddenly letting people come in from another country. That is not fair on the countless families that that have suffered during this time and unable to see each other, and here the Premier is allowing foreigners into the state. He's putting the health of Victorians at risk. I call on the Premier to resign today".
At the end of the day, despite the politics around this, people will be allowed to come in under these arrangements, and the Premier even suggested the best way of handling it might end up allowing people to arrive direct from AKL into MEL. A politically palatable way of allowing this. Frankly, such direct flights should be allowed, as they would have nothing to do with hotel quarantine re-opening which needs to wait until the inquiry provides its recommendations.
Oct 19, 2020, 12:49 am
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At the end of the day, despite the politics around this, people will be allowed to come in under these arrangements, and the Premier even suggested the best way of handling it might end up allowing people to arrive direct from AKL into MEL. A politically palatable way of allowing this. Frankly, such direct flights should be allowed, as they would have nothing to do with hotel quarantine re-opening which needs to wait until the inquiry provides its recommendations.
At the end of the day, despite the politics around this, people will be allowed to come in under these arrangements, and the Premier even suggested the best way of handling it might end up allowing people to arrive direct from AKL into MEL. A politically palatable way of allowing this. Frankly, such direct flights should be allowed, as they would have nothing to do with hotel quarantine re-opening which needs to wait until the inquiry provides its recommendations.
Oct 19, 2020, 1:06 am
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Yes, you'd think NZ would be happy, if permitted, to convert the AKL-MEL flight into a "quarantine free" flight (no connections allowed), given they are flying it already, presumably with a decent amount of freight.
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Oct 19, 2020, 4:19 pm
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Even from the airport website:
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities. If you have a flight booked please contact your airline for more details."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
How does a AKL-MEL passenger flight fit into the current regulations?
Oct 19, 2020, 4:59 pm
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This surprises me. I thought all international flights in or out of MEL were stopped and have remained so.
Even from the airport website:
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities. If you have a flight booked please contact your airline for more details."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
How does a AKL-MEL passenger flight fit into the current regulations?
Even from the airport website:
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities. If you have a flight booked please contact your airline for more details."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
How does a AKL-MEL passenger flight fit into the current regulations?
Air NZ have running aircraft with pax from MEL for some time. May be same with some other airlines flying pax out of MEL. CX EY EK QR?
When I left the MEL international terminal was lonely: just 64 pax and a few Border Force at the emigration gates.
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- https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Passengers/Flights/Arrivals
- https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...hts/Departures Click international (left)
- https://www.melbourne-airport.com/tu...als-terminal-2
- https://www.flightstats.com/v2/fligh...r/arrivals/MEL (need to adjust time range)
- https://www.flightstats.com/v2/fligh...departures/MEL
- https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/mel
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Oct 19, 2020, 6:48 pm
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This surprises me. I thought all international flights in or out of MEL were stopped and have remained so.
Even from the airport website:
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities. If you have a flight booked please contact your airline for more details."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
How does a AKL-MEL passenger flight fit into the current regulations?
Even from the airport website:
"Currently, there is a diversion on all international arrivals into Melbourne Airport. Any international flights that were scheduled to land in Victoria will be diverted to other Australian cities. If you have a flight booked please contact your airline for more details."
https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/...ation/COVID-19
How does a AKL-MEL passenger flight fit into the current regulations?
With passengers for MEL-AKL.
Oct 19, 2020, 8:56 pm
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20 Oct 2020 (abc.net.au)----> South Australia joins New Zealand coronavirus travel bubble, eases hard border with Victoria
Would be little surprised if NZ or QF/JQ started New Zealand-ADL flights
QF was going to fly CHC-SYD twice a week. Assume due to low bookings flights were cancelled before they started.
South Australia will open its borders to travellers from New Zealand, effective immediately, and allow 12 recent arrivals already in hotel quarantine out into the community.Police Commissioner Grant Stevens also announced the state will ease its hard border restrictions with Victoria, and will also further free up travel in regional border communities.
It was revealed yesterday that five New Zealand travellers arrived unexpectedly at Adelaide Airport on Sunday and were put into hotel quarantine, at their own expense. Commissioner Stevens has revealed there are now 12 New Zealand travellers in hotel quarantine and they are being contacted to be released.
"I'm pleased to be able to announce with New Zealand people arriving in SA, they will no longer be required to quarantine," he said.
"We're also happy to receive direct flights from New Zealand.
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It was revealed yesterday that five New Zealand travellers arrived unexpectedly at Adelaide Airport on Sunday and were put into hotel quarantine, at their own expense. Commissioner Stevens has revealed there are now 12 New Zealand travellers in hotel quarantine and they are being contacted to be released.
"I'm pleased to be able to announce with New Zealand people arriving in SA, they will no longer be required to quarantine," he said.
"We're also happy to receive direct flights from New Zealand.
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QF was going to fly CHC-SYD twice a week. Assume due to low bookings flights were cancelled before they started.
Oct 19, 2020, 10:47 pm
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20 Oct 2020 (abc.net.au)----> South Australia joins New Zealand coronavirus travel bubble, eases hard border with Victoria
Would be little surprised if NZ or QF/JQ started New Zealand-ADL flights
QF was going to fly CHC-SYD twice a week. Assume due to low bookings flights were cancelled before they started.
Would be little surprised if NZ or QF/JQ started New Zealand-ADL flights
QF was going to fly CHC-SYD twice a week. Assume due to low bookings flights were cancelled before they started.
More importantly it seems the SA Premier has written to Ardern asking for reciprocal benefits which I take to mean quarantine free travel in the opposite direction. Exciting! Bit tricky as not sure how NZ will view them being open to NSW. No imported cases though and been open 3.5wks now I think. ACT even longer.
May take a little while until NZ govt sort themselves out but I am going to scream if they don’t say yes!
Oct 19, 2020, 10:56 pm
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I wish the media and our politicians would stop calling this a bubble! It is not.
By this definition, Singapore currently has a bubble with most of Australia (ie all except Vic.).
By this definition, Singapore currently has a bubble with most of Australia (ie all except Vic.).