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For the NZ<---->AU (quarantine free) travel bubble various governmental permissions are needed in a addition to the usual passport/visa

AU permission (for NZ to AU)
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In addition State/territory authority may be needed.
What is in effect at any time can be hard to determine. May also be required cross a state border
NZ permission (for AU to NZ)
No states, so a lot simpler.
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Old Oct 2, 2020, 7:18 pm
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Thanks. The last thing we would want is to have to go back to the US. We're trying to get back to South Africa, where we live and have residence visas, but they're still sorting their "reopening" regs. NZ is wonderful and we feel fortunate to be here. The idea of seeing more of Australia appeals, as we enjoyed our previous two visits but didn't get to see as much of the country as we'd have liked due to lack of time. Now, we have all the time in the world, but "you can't get there from here." We feel like virtual Kiwis now, having been here since Feb.
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Old Oct 2, 2020, 9:14 pm
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Originally Posted by lmk
We feel like virtual Kiwis now, having been here since Feb.
Sounds like you're real Kiwis now.

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Originally Posted by bensyd
Fairly certain if's for residents of New Zealand. In fact I'm almost 100% certain that was mentioned by the transport minister yesterday.

ETA: Here....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...ralia/12726228
I wonder if that’s a slight mistake on their part. From an infection point of view it doesn’t matter what country you’re a citizen of, however it does matter where you’ve been. If you’ve been in NZ out and about for 14 days you should be fine. People arriving in NZ would have quarantined for 14 days prior.

Edit: I guess Oz &NZ have reciprocal healthcare benefits so that might explain the citizen/residential restriction.
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Old Oct 3, 2020, 6:19 pm
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Originally Posted by lmk
Thanks. The last thing we would want is to have to go back to the US. We're trying to get back to South Africa, where we live and have residence visas, but they're still sorting their "reopening" regs. NZ is wonderful and we feel fortunate to be here. The idea of seeing more of Australia appeals, as we enjoyed our previous two visits but didn't get to see as much of the country as we'd have liked due to lack of time. Now, we have all the time in the world, but "you can't get there from here." We feel like virtual Kiwis now, having been here since Feb.
You could always enquire with Home Affairs. If you're under 31 you could apply for a working holiday visa that will give you a year in Australia. US passports at the moment seem to be a bit of a roadblock around the world.
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Old Oct 3, 2020, 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by NZbutterfly
I wonder if that’s a slight mistake on their part. From an infection point of view it doesn’t matter what country you’re a citizen of, however it does matter where you’ve been. If you’ve been in NZ out and about for 14 days you should be fine. People arriving in NZ would have quarantined for 14 days prior.
You may be right. The press release from the PM is not very clear though. Seems it could go either way. We'll probably get more clarifty this week. It seems like agreement was reached on Friday afternoon (and a long weekend in NSW/ACT)

The Australian Government is establishing a Safe Travel Zone with New Zealand.

This is the next step for a COVID-safe Australia that will reunite families and friends, offer opportunities for businesses looking for workers, and back the communities that depend on tourism.

Australia and New Zealand have worked closely together since the COVID-19 pandemic began.

We are committed to opening up both domestic travel within Australia and travel with New Zealand, as well as other low risk countries as soon as the health advice says it is safe to do so.

The Australian Government’s Department of Health has undertaken a public health risk assessment of COVID-19 in New Zealand, which indicated that New Zealand posed a low risk of COVID-19 transmission to Australia.

Passengers from New Zealand will be able to travel to Australia, quarantine-free, from Friday, 16 October, provided they have not been in an area designated as a COVID-19 hotspot in New Zealand in the preceding 14 days.

As has been announced already, the Australian Government is defining a hotspot using a three-day rolling average of three locally acquired cases per day.

There are currently no COVID-19 hotspots in New Zealand. The last locally acquired case with an unidentified epidemiological source occurred on 21 August 2020. We are working closely with New Zealand authorities to ensure we are notified promptly of any outbreaks there.

Any state or territory that imposes travel restrictions consistent with the Australian Government-defined hotspot, as advised by the acting Chief Medical Officer, Professor Paul Kelly, will be able to participate in the Safe Travel Zone.

After offering these arrangements at the latest National Cabinet, we have reached agreement for this first stage of quarantine-free travel with New South Wales and the Northern Territory. We welcome those jurisdictions’ commitment to reopening Australia to the world.

Normal visa requirements will apply and travellers returning to New Zealand from Australia will be required to comply with New Zealand’s travel requirements.

The Australian Government will provide increased Australian Border Force support at airports to support the establishment of green lanes of travel for New Zealanders and collecting information on arrivals to assist with contact tracing if required.

We expect the establishment of quarantine-free travel to Australia from New Zealand will also free up space for around an additional 325 passengers a week to enter quarantine in Sydney.

More information will be available at www.smartraveller.gov.au
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/safe-tra...ne-new-zealand
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Old Oct 3, 2020, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by bensyd
You may be right. The press release from the PM is not very clear though. Seems it could go either way. We'll probably get more clarifty this week. It seems like agreement was reached on Friday afternoon (and a long weekend in NSW/ACT)

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/safe-tra...ne-new-zealand
In my view need to wait until the web site is updated. https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/
  • NZ citizens have the right to enter and work in AU (if of good character, not banned etc) and can re-enter NZ after a trip to Aussie.
  • NZ permanent residents would need to apply for an AU visa to visit (not work) depending on passport in pre Covid-19 times, and presumably can re-enter NZ after a trip to Aussie.
  • People in NZ on a tourist, working holiday, other visa would need to apply for an AU visa, and are unlikely to be able re-enter NZ after a trip to Aussie.
  • NZ and AU are not open to general tourism. Both NZ & AU are restricting who can enter, other than own citizens returning "home" and minimal others by exception upon written application. Some change in AU regulations will be needed to allow NZers to enter AU.
(Having both AU & NZ passports most of this does not effect me)

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Joint Statement – Safe travel zone with New Zealand
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Old Oct 7, 2020, 7:11 pm
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General election NZ on 17 Oct, so comments are for an audience. Post election it will be different.

06 Oct (rnz.co.nz)---> State borders in Australia complicate trans-Tasman bubble - Hipkins
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Asked if Australian states would have to be able to show 28 days without community transmission, Hipkins said it was among the criteria, however, the re-opening of borders within Australia was a sticking point, "slowing down our eagerness".

"There are some states that we could have travel with relatively quickly but if there is a risk that they will then re-open their borders between states then obviously that increases the risk of there being transmission between states in Australia which therefore makes us a bit more hesitant.

"We are being very cautious around that."

If safe zones were operating, Auckland International Airport would effectively be split in two, to separate travellers from other countries and transit passengers who would not be able to use the safe zone flights.

A technical advisory group was still looking into the possibility of a third Covid-19 test for travellers arriving in New Zealand, Hipkins said. This could be done a week after their release from managed isolation to pick up a minority of people who cultivate the virus for more than 14 days.
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Old Oct 8, 2020, 4:39 pm
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09 Oct 2020 (rnz.co.nz) ---> Aussie tourism boss disappointed trans-Tasman travel bubble has become 'quite political
The Australian tourism industry is hopeful that the upcoming one-way travel bubble with New Zealand will encourage more visitors - but also disappointed that discussions around arrangements have become "quite political". Three Australian states - New South Wales, Northern Territories and Australian Capital Territory - will not require travellers entering the country from New Zealand to undergo a quarantine period on arrival from October 16 - which is next Friday.

However, New Zealand is currently not offering a reciprocal exemption - so Kiwis heading to Australia would still need to undergo isolation, likely a their own cost, upon returning.

Australian Tourism Industry Council Executive Director Simon Westaway, speaking to TVNZ1's Breakfast this morning, said the exemption was good news, and that it hopefully signals the start of things to come. He agreed that the state-by-state exemptions were "very confusing" and said it was a shame that "it's become quite political".
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Cook Islanders have a NZ passport. A great many live in NZ. Positive statement as below will get votes
08 Oct 2020 (rnz.co.nz)----> Cook Islands PM hopes for NZ travel bubble within weeks
The Cook Islands could remove quarantine restrictions for people travelling from New Zealand as soon as next week.

Prime Minister Mark Brown said cabinet would meet on Saturday to discuss changing the restrictions. Currently, only Cook Islands residents and permit holders are allowed into the country, and they have to undergo two weeks' quarantine.
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But with that outbreak seemingly contained, Mr Brown and his New Zealand counterpart Jacinda Ardern have both said those talks have resumed.

Mr Brown said things had progressed well and there were only a few finer points to iron out, which he hoped would only take a matter of weeks.
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Old Oct 14, 2020, 6:16 pm
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New page on the AU Gov web site https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/
Link -----> New Zealand safe travel zone
From Friday, 16 October 2020, you can travel from New Zealand to Australia, quarantine-free, if:
  • you have been in New Zealand for 14 days or more and not been in a designated hotspot, and
  • you are travelling to Australia on an quarantine-free flight.
You do not need to be a New Zealand citizen to travel to Australia quarantine-free if you meet the above criteria, but you will need a valid visa to enter Australia. New Zealand citizens do not need to apply for a visa before coming to Australia. If eligible, they will be granted a Special Category visa (subclass 444) (SCV) on arrival.

A quarantine-free flight only carries passengers who have declared they have been in New Zealand for 14 days or more and have not been in a COVID hotspot in New Zealand in the last 14 days before travel. Quarantine-free flights will be determined by your airline.

Quarantine-free travel from New Zealand will initially be to New South Wales and the Northern Territory only. Other states and territories may be added at a later date.
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Arrival in Australia

Green and red zones have been created at airports in Australia to ensure the separation of passengers arriving on ‘quarantine-free’ flights, from other passengers who are required to enter 14 days mandatory quarantine.

If you travel on a quarantine-free flight, you will be guided through the green zone to complete all border clearance processes in the airport of arrival in Australia.
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That's good news for lmk
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That's good news for lmk
They are now in RSA
Link (04 Oct)---> Just flew AKL-BNE-DOH-JNB on QR in J
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Old Oct 16, 2020, 1:16 pm
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Reports on NZ TV was about 300 people went on the first day NZ---->AU

16 Oct 2020 (abc.net.au)--->Trans-Tasman bubble arrivals from New Zealand detained in Melbourne
Key points:
  • Quarantine-free travel between New Zealand and Australia is currently limited to New South Wales and the Northern Territory
  • The detained passengers arrived in Sydney before flying to Melbourne
  • Arrivals from New Zealand have to satisfy health requirements before being allowed into Australia
Fourteen passengers have been detained in Melbourne after they arrived from New Zealand under the trans-Tasman bubble arrangements. The ABC understands the passengers flew to Sydney and got a connecting to flight to Melbourne.

Melbourne is currently not accepting international travellers.

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"The Victorian Government has made it clear to the Commonwealth that we expect NZ passengers who have not undertaken quarantine will not be permitted to board flights in Sydney bound for Melbourne."

In a statement, Australian Border Force said "domestic border restrictions are a matter for states and territories".

But the Australian Department of Home Affairs says on its website that "quarantine-free travel from New Zealand will initially be to New South Wales and the Northern Territory only. Other states and territories may be added at a later date."

<snip>

There will be a total of 16 flights between the two countries each week, with Jetstar and Qantas joining Air New Zealand and Qatar Airways in advertising the trans-Tasman flights.

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They would not have got a "connecting" flight in normal airline jargon, as the airlines were not selling with TT flights.
My guess is they separately booked a flight from NSW to VIC

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17 Oct 2020 (nzherald.co.nz)----> Australian MP questions why NZ travellers detained in Melbourne
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Speaking on the ABC, Wilson said he couldn't see the problem.

"To be frank, I don't really understand what the issue is. NSW are accepting flights as part of the transtasman bubble from New Zealand. There is no quarantine obligations when people go from NSW into Victoria," Wilson said.

"There is in reverse. So, once people have arrived here and have been assessed ultimately as safe, then the ordinary pathways for people to be able to travel into Victoria, if they wish to do so. So, I want to know what the basis of – and it's not clear to me what the basis of – is there a new requirement to go into Victoria? I'm in the ACT right now. If I go to Victoria, I'm not expected to quarantine, because it isn't a source of Covid-19."
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17 Oct 2020 (abc.net.au)---> New Zealand travellers who flew to Melbourne via Sydney still in Victoria, authorities say
The 17 passengers from New Zealand who flew into Melbourne last night are still in Victoria, authorities say.

The passengers flew to Sydney as part of a new trans-Tasman quarantine-free travel bubble, and then caught a connecting flight to Melbourne.

Victoria is not accepting international travellers due to the coronavirus crisis and the passengers were stopped at Melbourne Airport last night.

But Premier Daniel Andrews said the passengers left the airport within minutes of arriving.

"Our officers have absolutely no power to stop someone, to detain someone in those circumstances, particularly given they were coming from a very low virus part of the world," he said today.
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Just to clarify, no one has been detained because there’s no reason nor any legal authority to do so.

This just makes Dan look pretty silly, so much noise and fuss about something unimportant, I assume to distract attention from the fact the quarantine inquiry is coming back for an additional sitting. If Victoria spent half the effort on things that actually matter as they do to things that don’t we might not have had the additional and unnecessary 750+ deaths over the last 3 months.
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Old Oct 17, 2020, 12:13 am
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Just to clarify, no one has been detained because there’s no reason nor any legal authority to do so.

This just makes Dan look pretty silly, so much noise and fuss about something unimportant, I assume to distract attention from the fact the quarantine inquiry is coming back for an additional sitting. If Victoria spent half the effort on things that actually matter as they do to things that don’t we might not have had the additional and unnecessary 750+ deaths over the last 3 months.
Agreed. Just theatre by Dictator Dan, and an overeach by DHHS of the Vic Government. The DHHS (Health department) were responsible for the hotel (no) quarantine. They should have made no comment.
No issues for a Melbourne resident going from Oron Park, Sydney (where there has been community transmission) to Melbourne, as per the laws in NSW & VIC, if they wanted to. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...cases/12778446
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Old Oct 17, 2020, 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by IMOA
Just to clarify, no one has been detained because there’s no reason nor any legal authority to do so.

This just makes Dan look pretty silly, so much noise and fuss about something unimportant, I assume to distract attention from the fact the quarantine inquiry is coming back for an additional sitting. If Victoria spent half the effort on things that actually matter as they do to things that don’t we might not have had the additional and unnecessary 750+ deaths over the last 3 months.
100% agree. I have no idea why he even brought it up. It just looks like a poor attempt at distraction.
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