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Hyperbole? Blogger says people outside of Australia may not be able to visit until 2024.

https://viewfromthewing.com/australi...rs-until-2024/

percysmith

Have those ever been implemented?

If this was HK, where Govt authorises commercial hotels to run quarantine but they run their own security (the public here are generally OK with this, supplemented by Police for abscondees), it will be ok for a uni (for profit or not) to say "we'll run our own quarantine facility. Government will inspect it, then we will staff it like any other commercial hotel".

But in Aus quarantine hotels are secured by government (either by ADF or state police https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...inet/100260840 ) . I don't see how an Aus uni/school can open such a quarantine facility without displacing a returning Australian citizen/permanent resident.

If governments allow this then I think Fair Go doesn't apply in Aus anymore.

nancypants

i mean a blogger would know….

no evidence it will be 2023 or 2024. Suggestions that phase 2 begins early 2022. Also suggestions that phase 4 is in place by mid-late 2022

nb NT also did not request a reduction in caps and is taking more repatriation flights again

bensyd

More like a bunch of Labor state premiers papering over there own inadequate systems. What really p!sses me off is how blunt this reduction is. A mRNA vaccinated arrival from Taiwan is treated exactly the same as an unvaccinated arrival from Indonesia.

HB7

There is no evidence that it won't be 2023 - and I would say you, me and the blogger have about the same knowledge of what is going on - precisely nothing. The evidence of how the government has gone about things, and where things stand now, 2023 - 2024 is the most realistic date for any easing of, well, any restrictions.

This is not a plan because there are no dates, no data, no indicators what we are looking for. We don't even know if we are currently in Phase 1 - or when will Phase 1 begin. The "trial" for home quarantine of vaccinated Australians has been reported by some (ET) as "due to begin in the coming months". Why hasn't it already started? When will it start? How long will it run for? What determines success?

This is, and will remain a complete shambles by the Federal and state governments. A statement based on intentions for actions at some point in the future is not a plan, or any sort of meaningful action. Simple as that.

percysmith

Getting Australians home isn't a national priority with the voters.
It's just as popular as foreign aid - we should be seen to be doing it, but not if it hurts us https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...d9e53d6a411c6b

Does expose a fault with our current constitutional arrangements - Commonwealth and states are set up to take opposite sides.
But currently, Commonwealth is motivated to bait the trap with the states' cheese.

Croupier

I was devastated by the news on Friday.
Come October it will be a year since I've seen my wife.
Looking at selling my house and getting off this prison Island never to return.

lokijuh

Ditto from here in Singapore. Vaccinated with Pfizer, we had all of 1 new community case today (after peaking a few weeks ago at 35), and can even inspect the app, to see if any exposure alters (vicinity of known cases).

They don't risk manage, there is no one thinking about anything other than how they can eliminate anyone from arriving ever again. Unless you are a celebrity or play sports, if that's the case, do what you like, because they know absolutely that genetically, celebrities and sports people have a gene that prevents them from transmitting COVID, even if they have it.

And I'm now waiting for the Grand Prix to go the way of the 2021 Singapore Grand Prix. Cancelled. It should be.

Little bit of trivia, they have three grades of travel into Australia - Adelaide and Perth are now taking a daily Dash 8-200. Melbourne and Brisbane a Q400 daily. Sydney gets a 737-800 and a Dash 8-200. That's all that is needed. So 3x Dash 8-200's, 2 x Q400s and 1 x737-800.

LETTERBOY

Same knowledge as the Australian government, apparently.

percysmith

I thought Singapore authorised Sinovac as well, but not offering them the same social distancing privileges https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-sinovac-shots

Not sure what quarantine reductions Singapore is proposing at the border for vaccinated.

nancypants

I’d like to believe I’m privvy to significantly more DoH briefings than you…

bensyd

This is the problem. Last year the CHO of Queensland was concerned about people from Sydney being in Byron Bay because that Crossroads Hotel cluster was ongoing. They literally had the border closed to NSW but she was concerned that people in Sydney might bring it to Byron and then somehow it would jump across the closed Qld border. When that's the "health advice" it's no wonder they refuse to do anything that might be perceived as risk taking. Good on Anna though for booking herself a holiday to Tokyo.

HB7

Good for you. Since you have some sort of relationship with DoH, can you manage to also tell us how they, along with federal government have managed to stuff this up so badly?

IMOA

Because the vast majority of voters would prefer the Australian ‘stuff up’ to the European and American ‘stuff up’.

HB7

Not sure if you've realised, we are in 2021 now, not 2020? Australia did great in 2020 (shutting your borders and not allowing anyone in isn't exactly rocket-science). However, right now, the vaccine roll-out is beyond abysmal and it is the worst in the OECD.

While Australia did very well last year, looking at the present situation, it is a massive problem economically and not to mention the mental health issues associated with a lockdown happening every 3 minutes.

Europe, the US, the UK absolutely got it horribly wrong last year - however, right now, Australia is a laughing stock thanks to what is going on.