GUWonder

Adult women in the Scandinavian countries still tend to be healthier than men at all age levels and to also live longer than men, so I find the above chart to be sort of like what I would expect it to be like.

Anyone have a chart juxtaposing the same sort of data for Sweden as with data in the above-presented COVID-19 fatality data for Norway?

WilcoRoger

At least hereabouts that's not true. Our seasonal fatalities are 500-1000 out of 5,5 million. At the top end it's 0,02%, at the lower end (as this year) it's 0,01%, one fifth of the figure mentioned.

Having said that, the covid deaths (<400) are still lower than the seasonal influenza this year, which was 500 (and considered very low) - the latter was a two-liner news in March.

RedChili

That figure was the lower end of his preliminary calculations for mortality rate of covid-19. At that time, 1% of the infected passengers on the Diamond Princess had died (that cruise ship was the only place where the entire "population" had been tested). Most of those passengers were elderly. When he adjusted that figure for the actual U.S. population, he came up with a mortality rate of, IIRC, 0.175% of the infected. Then he adjusted that number for a lot of other factors and came up with a span of, IIRC, 0.05%-0.8%. That's the percentage of infected people that die. At that time, the WHO claimed that the mortality was about 3.7%.

WilcoRoger

OK, I misinterpreted the concept of "population wide rate".

OT - estimates with a sixteen-fold gap between the bottom and top range are not very useful.

GUWonder

Death rates of sort for this virus situation get worse when the healthcare system is overwhelmed in ways.

The Swedish healthcare system was overwhelmed in ways by coronavirus cases during some time within the second quarter. And its being overwhelmed would have been even more extreme and publicly apparent if the Swedish system would have advised that Covid-19 patients in Swedish elderly living facilities should be moved to hospitals for care rather than to simply keep such infected elderly at the elderly living facilities and to put them on morphine as a near default measure. Sending the elderly infected to the hospitals? That wasn’t the official suggestion. It was more or less de facto palliative care without much, if any, material care intervention to support recovery of the sick in Swedish elderly living facilities.

A long time ago, a wise old Swede told me that Sweden is a great place for the young and old but not so great for those in their prime salaried earning years. This coronavirus situation in Sweden may highlight the need for that to be amended to factor in the way that the elderly may be left to die rather than treated in a hospital.

A window into this coronavirus non-treatment situation in Sweden was touched upon here:

tsastor

Still, Tegnell is saying that a prime reason for the high COVID deaths among the elderly in Sweden is that they did not die from influenza but from COVID instead. Why did this then not happen in Finland and Norway. Tegnell’s credibility is in my eyes sinking further. I even feel sorry for him.

WilcoRoger

Finland's covid deaths have also been predominantly among the elderly. In April the median (!) age of covid victims was 82, so Tegnell's argument might even hold here, though I haven't heard or read anything along these lines.

RedChili

If I understood him correctly, he was talking about last year's flu season. The flu of 2019 was an extremely mild flu season, with very few deaths in Sweden. The mild flu of 2019 meant that Sweden had an "excess" number of fragile elderly people who would be easy victims of any 2020 flu or epidemic. If we could imagine a situation where the flu season of 2019 would have been more severe, there would have been fewer fragile elderly people alive in Sweden, so the 2020 covid-19 pandemic would have taken fewer lives.

RedChili

The results of the Umea University mass testing of staff and students is in. A total of 9,907 people were tested, and only 6 of them had an active virus infection. That's 0.06%. Two thirds were students, and one third was staff, meaning that a huge chunk of the people tested were young adults that had been social active during the summer and initial week's of the fall.

As 0.06% is not an "exceptionally large proportion of the population," we can conclude that the pandemic is over in Sweden.

CPH-Flyer

Sweden has had a sligt uptick in ICU cases, and still keep a higher number of ICU cases than Denmark, also the running reporting of fatalities in Sweden is still higher than Denmark, despite the surge in cases in Denmark. Which would be interesting underlying trends to understand.

Having just been to Copenhagen, I can see where the surge is coming from. No one seems to care about any level of precautions for anything. Even the most basic things.

fransknorge

Result of study to be published by Irene Tosetti.
As for the pandemic is over, cases are increasing again. Although to be noted that testing is currently increasing. Hence the decrease of the last weeks was also due to a decrease in testing.

Fredrik74

The other possible conclusion is that hasn't even started yet. Long time to herd immunity...

I didn't see any notice about how many had anti-bodies?

RedChili

They only conducted a PCR test for active viruses.

GUWonder

The more closely I examine Tegnell's words, the more confirmation I find that Tegnell is more willing to play propagandist for Sweden's official coronavirus response than he is willing to be open, honest and faithful to where the evidence leads -- even and especially when the evidence leads to conclusions that are inconvenient and not laudatory to the Swedish coronavirus situation of his making.

CPH-Flyer

For those that have access to the Danish newspaper Politiken, there is an interesting interview with Tegnell today. In the PS section.