I know the fax states it will take 30 days, I'm not certain it's accurate. In one of my letters from Sari at Valumags, she said the points will be made available sooner if and when I signed the form. But it contradicts what's actually stated in the fax.

Neal, the bottleneck isn't at value mags from what I can tell but rather at Goldpoints. Another consideration is that given the recent Christmas shopping period Goldpoints may have been experiencing higher than normal volume even without factoring in the valuemags promo.


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Here's a reply from Shari at Valuemags.

All orders placed before 12/26/01 will receive 450 goldpoints per
dollar as
promised under the promotion, if you contact goldpoints and they tell
otherwise, that is incorrect. If you don't see your GoldPoints at
www.goldpoints.com, please contact [email protected] or call
800-508-9000 and they will help make sure you get credit.
Give them at least 48 hours to process points, if it looks incorrect,
e-mail
me with your order numbers that were processed incorrectly.

Shari
[email protected]
800-684-5373

I think that since quite a few of us saw points posted within just a couple of days that the problem we are now experiencing will also be corrected in a couple of days. It's possible that Goldpoints is trying to work thru this but not doing it quickly. We've seen several posts indicating assurances that we will receive our points. I would think that it's now a matter of watching, waiting, and dealing with this in time. As long as there's documentation showing purchases that Goldpoints and Valuemags will come thru for us. I suspect that Shari or somebody at Valuemags is monitoring our threads here. What we don't want to happen is a total loss of points, i.e. Clickrewards. I don't think that will happen given the viability of Goldpoints.

Just my .02

this is probably going to sound stupid, but there were a lot of people who liked to do calculations to show how valuemags and/or goldpoints was losing a tonne of money on this deal, so i figured i'd ask.

are there any viable promo-type things that valuemags could do that would involve giving away FF miles (in a manner/amount similar to their promo with goldpoints) without having to deal with valuemags? just a question for those of us more mathematically inclined and with some free time

It is indeed beginning to sound like the problem is GoldPoint, not valuemags.

I think people have some very good reason to fear that they are going to be screwed.

I guess my question is, if it took them less than two business days to post the 150 miles / dollar to my account why should it take 30 days for them to fix the problem?

And, if the number of miles applied is decided by GoldPoints and not valuemags, than what possible reason do they have for requiring people to prove they got the wrong credit, when they clearly have the data to figure this out for themselves?

Oh, wait! Maybe they're hoping some people won't bother?

Sounds like we could all be up to our necks in pudding soon!

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I don't understand the fear. I have every reason to trust goldpoints. They have always been honorable in the past. And if by chance they credit the wrong miles, a simple conversation will solve the issue.

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zrs70: i agree with you

Clearly the reason they want to wait 30 days is so that you don't cancel the subscription. Solution: buy multiple magazines < $400. They post in two days. Probably two weeks to transfer to miles. Then cancel subscription before 30 days are up. Wow free miles. Don't let you cancel? Call credit card company to get chargeback. Worst scenerio? They take away your miles. Best scenerio, they let you keep them. I know someone got 20+million this way...

ananish, I hesitate to say "welcome to FT", this may be the wrong forum/community for you.

ok..as someone who posted that blasted "immoral" scheme...this one i KNOW FOR SURE is immoral, unethical and downright wrong.

goldpoints should look through purchase histories. anyone who bought 5 orders >$400 should have their accounts checked to ensure that they did not cancel their orders.

I didn't say that I bought any magazines. In fact my gold points account has no subscriptions. Just telling you what other people are thinking. Finally, goldpoints don't have any value (says so on their user agreement) so getting them is not like getting free money. If they want to take them back, they can.

ananish, we don''t need that kind of post here.

I would think ordering magazines and planning to cancel them would meet all of the legal qualifications for fraud. Now, on a practical level, individuals who do this for relatively small amounts of miles probably have nothing more to fear than losing the miles, as ananish suggests. However, the amount of miles that ananish mentions is no longer chicken feed: 1 million miles would buy 10 r/t, 1st class tickets from JFK-LHR, which have a value of more than $115,000. That might well be enough to potentially pique the interest of a district attorney who might want to grab a headline about fighting computer fraud.

I for one am thinking of cancelling my valuemags subscriptions that have not yet posted or have posted incorrectly. My last one posted at 150 points/$ even though I bought it while the site still said 450 points/$. Only one out of my 5 orders have posted correctly. The total for my 5 orders is only about $150, and since I don't have a fax machine, it might be easier just to cancel the orders that will not post instead of try to get the points. I called goldpoints and they said I needed to fax them the email confirmations I received. I couldn't even email them in. In my mind, it's not worth the hassle for the few miles. If I were waiting on a million miles or so, then it would be a different story.

Ditto

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