Nov 20, 2013, 7:48 am
Last edit by: Pat89339
Do not call the airlines under any conditions! This is the fastest way to kill the trick and bring unwanted attention to your itinerary! And do not post precious deals in this thread, this is by far the fastest way to kill the trick!
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This is NOT the right place to ask: "Can you help me with a low fare for AAA-BBB?" This is not the beg-it thread, but the trick-it thread.
This thread deals with unique combinations of routes and booking tricks in order to lower prices on airline fares. Prices that would astound the general public are often achieved by the posters in this thread.
Many people, including airline representatives, monitor this thread. For that reason, it is unorganized, very content heavy, often lacking details, and written in shorthand. It takes patience and effort in order to understand the conversation and be able to participate as an active member.
We encourage you to read the entirety of this thread if you would like to get started and to experiment as soon as you understand the gist of Trick It. Lots of time spent reading, practicing, and learning is the only way to be able to reproduce our tricks and discover new ones yourself. There are many, many people who ask for advice here, so productive members are only able to help those who have shown a concerted effort and progress over a long period of time (months).
If you have no idea what this thread is about, a good place to start are various blogs' posts on the subject. At the very least, read the Rules for posting in this thread. They're also listed in the very first post, below.
Older portions of the thread have been separated into archive thread by year. They are listed below
2008 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2009 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2010 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2011 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2012 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2013 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2014 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
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This is NOT the right place to ask: "Can you help me with a low fare for AAA-BBB?" This is not the beg-it thread, but the trick-it thread.
This thread deals with unique combinations of routes and booking tricks in order to lower prices on airline fares. Prices that would astound the general public are often achieved by the posters in this thread.
Many people, including airline representatives, monitor this thread. For that reason, it is unorganized, very content heavy, often lacking details, and written in shorthand. It takes patience and effort in order to understand the conversation and be able to participate as an active member.
We encourage you to read the entirety of this thread if you would like to get started and to experiment as soon as you understand the gist of Trick It. Lots of time spent reading, practicing, and learning is the only way to be able to reproduce our tricks and discover new ones yourself. There are many, many people who ask for advice here, so productive members are only able to help those who have shown a concerted effort and progress over a long period of time (months).
If you have no idea what this thread is about, a good place to start are various blogs' posts on the subject. At the very least, read the Rules for posting in this thread. They're also listed in the very first post, below.
Older portions of the thread have been separated into archive thread by year. They are listed below
2008 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2009 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2010 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2011 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2012 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2013 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
2014 Trick It / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
Trick it / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread
Dec 14, 2016, 1:53 pm
#7411
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: FLL
Posts: 14
Thanks for the ";"
Dec 14, 2016, 2:12 pm
#7412
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 70
Fare rules are talking about "stopover" and "transfer"
23,5 hours is a transfer, 24,5 hours is a stopover. A fare that does not allow stopovers can still have a 23,5 transfer in case you might want to dine at your favourite restaurant somewhere around the world
/minconnect might be useful for when you are running out of input fields in ITA Matrix. What if you want your 1X to extend beyond the first segment of your fare
you will already use 4 input fields in general to achieve this. And those really juicy fares might give you the option to add a lot of stopovers. It can help out for that kind of constructions. It also helps to quickly scan fares with ITA Matrix using the return ticket search and still have stopovers.
Dec 15, 2016, 1:33 am
#7413
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Ann Arbor, USA
Posts: 27
Stopovers vs layovers
Not a veteran but it is like this I believe.
Fare rules are talking about "stopover" and "transfer"
23,5 hours is a transfer, 24,5 hours is a stopover. A fare that does not allow stopovers can still have a 23,5 transfer in case you might want to dine at your favourite restaurant somewhere around the world
/minconnect might be useful for when you are running out of input fields in ITA Matrix. What if you want your 1X to extend beyond the first segment of your fare you will already use 4 input fields in general to achieve this. And those really juicy fares might give you the option to add a lot of stopovers. It can help out for that kind of constructions.
It also helps to quickly scan fares with ITA Matrix using the return ticket search and still have stopovers.
Fare rules are talking about "stopover" and "transfer"
23,5 hours is a transfer, 24,5 hours is a stopover. A fare that does not allow stopovers can still have a 23,5 transfer in case you might want to dine at your favourite restaurant somewhere around the world
/minconnect might be useful for when you are running out of input fields in ITA Matrix. What if you want your 1X to extend beyond the first segment of your fare
you will already use 4 input fields in general to achieve this. And those really juicy fares might give you the option to add a lot of stopovers. It can help out for that kind of constructions. It also helps to quickly scan fares with ITA Matrix using the return ticket search and still have stopovers.
Dec 16, 2016, 6:33 am
#7416
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York Metropolitan Area 45 km from JFK
Programs: UA,AA,AS,BA
Posts: 4,607
BA: Cx-C2-C1-C2-Cx 176,99 € All-in R/T
with Cx meaning NON-C2 and not a Cx.5
C1 includes Hawaii, St Thomas USVI, Alaska,Utah,Nevada, California,Texas(s & sw).
Last edited by WingedWorldExplorer; Dec 16, 2016 at 9:54 am
Dec 16, 2016, 7:34 am
#7417
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA EXP, HH Diamond, Marriott Platinium
Posts: 1,334
Dec 16, 2016, 8:12 am
#7418
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 758
You are giving on a silver planet the latest worthwhile eggs and the fix for airlines is really easy.
You saw very well what for example OW did on most of the fares c1-c2 rt and viceversa. It doesn't make any sense to let them fix also the other rules.
edit:
It's not a flame and I'm not attacking him.
Last edited by jorun; Dec 16, 2016 at 8:19 am
Dec 16, 2016, 9:07 am
#7419
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York Metropolitan Area 45 km from JFK
Programs: UA,AA,AS,BA
Posts: 4,607
The people who pretend to know everything, in fact know nothing - they are just shaking the tree and hoping an apple will fall on their heads. Ask them for details ( RTM and Hawaii for example) and see for yourself. You can even ask in your native language since it is probably better understood than the subtleties of the English language.
Last edited by WingedWorldExplorer; Dec 16, 2016 at 9:45 am
Dec 16, 2016, 9:46 am
#7420
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 758
The people who pretend to know everything, in fact know nothing - they are just shaking the tree and hoping an apple will fall on their heads. Ask them for details ( RTM for example) and see for yourself. You can even ask in your native language since its better understood than English.
If he will listen me, he will edit too. Afterwards you can contact him to ask what Jorun said.
Edit:
You can send a PM to him
and If you are really so generous shake your tree and tell him about RTM etc..
Last edited by jorun; Dec 16, 2016 at 12:43 pm
Dec 16, 2016, 5:51 pm
#7422
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Posts: 4,607
Some people talk alot and don't fly. Others talk less and fly a lot
more. You obviously belong to the latter.
Dec 17, 2016, 3:54 am
#7424
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 210
Monitoring this thread and reading a lot of stuff on the internet, wherever I can find, and I now understand how fares and combinations work, which gave me a significant boost in possibilities for my personal bookings, but I still wasn't able to get riddles like this.
Most interesting parts for me are:
1. Now I understand that the research starts with fares, not with availability. But how do we find such fares? To get a fare list we need to specify origin and destination. A solution can be a combination of a very unknown origin/destination points in two different continents. I can't imagine people here are just trying all the combinations of all origin/destination points all the time.
2. When something like C2-C4 posted, without specifying even a region within C2/C4 nor the airline, how do other people in the thread find those city pairs? Again, there are very many cities in both C2 and C4 and after checking the most obvious ones, what's the next procedure? Just point in the map and hope for the best?
3. How can I find some terms and abbreviations glossary? I've read at least 10 of such glossaries as of now but not at a single one I could grasp what does double decker / sandwich / etc mean. RTM? Is it Rotterdam?