[PREM FARE GONE] AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK £2550 business
Oct 16, 2022, 11:11 am
#241
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Definitely trickier - you have to build it out segment by segment, but given the marketing carrier, the fare code, and the fare for that segment the site will calculate the LPs for that leg. You can then add additional segments to tally up a total (the option for the multi-segment plan appears at the bottom after you add the first segment).
Oct 16, 2022, 11:34 am
#242
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: USA
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Definitely trickier - you have to build it out segment by segment, but given the marketing carrier, the fare code, and the fare for that segment the site will calculate the LPs for that leg. You can then add additional segments to tally up a total (the option for the multi-segment plan appears at the bottom after you add the first segment).
Oct 21, 2022, 8:49 am
#243
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 314
What tool are you using to construct / book the fares segment by segment ? I tried doing this yesterday with the below steps.
- Find a date that has R fare JFK-TYO marketed and operated by AA
- Find a date that has C fare TYO-SYD-CGK and CGK-SYD-TYO marketed by QF
- Then find a date that has R fare TYO-JFK
- I did the above 3 steps on expertflyer
- Then tried to do a multi-city search on google flights, oldmatrix, AA.com and few OTAs and I wasn't able to force the fare to be under $4k
Oct 21, 2022, 10:56 am
#244
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What tool are you using to construct / book the fares segment by segment ? I tried doing this yesterday with the below steps.
- Find a date that has R fare JFK-TYO marketed and operated by AA
- Find a date that has C fare TYO-SYD-CGK and CGK-SYD-TYO marketed by QF
- Then find a date that has R fare TYO-JFK
- I did the above 3 steps on expertflyer
- Then tried to do a multi-city search on google flights, oldmatrix, AA.com and few OTAs and I wasn't able to force the fare to be under $4k
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.
Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:
This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:
Last edited by skunker; Oct 21, 2022 at 11:11 am
Oct 21, 2022, 12:18 pm
#246
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 314
Easiest is to use ITA Matrix (I still much prefer the old version) along with Powertools and then deeplink to an OTA.
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.
Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:
This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.
Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:
This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:
Oct 21, 2022, 12:21 pm
#247
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Oct 21, 2022, 2:04 pm
#248
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To my earlier question though, how would one go about finding a date that has inventory ? Would expertflyer be able to help ?
Oct 21, 2022, 2:18 pm
#249
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itamatrix with flexible dates and a lot of spare time is your best bet, I'm sure.
Oct 21, 2022, 11:10 pm
#250
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Expertflyer is definitely a huge help trying to find the inventory, if you use +/- 3 days in your search then you get a whole week of inventory in the tabs. Bear in mind AA uses a lot of married segment tricks, so you'd likely need to enter NYC-TYO and put LAX in the connection line to get accurate inventory. I've seen many cases where AA will have R (or C, D, I, etc.) on segment by segment but not married segment. I find it insanely frustrating. Sometimes you can 'break' married segments by structuring it a certain way, sometimes you can't.
Oct 22, 2022, 3:01 am
#251
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Bear in mind QF does married segments on the route and finding C on HND-SYD and SYD-CGK doesnt mean C is possible for HND-SYD-CGK connection, alas! Ping me if you need assistance finding/booking this 
Oct 22, 2022, 3:17 am
#252
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Yup, I had exactly the same issue trying to get a RTW ticket and QF married segments. Wouldn't work without a stopover in SYD, which if I recall can't be done on this ticket.
Oct 22, 2022, 4:04 am
#253
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Easiest is to use ITA Matrix (I still much prefer the old version) along with Powertools and then deeplink to an OTA.
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.
Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:
This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.
Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:
This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:
Oct 22, 2022, 5:56 am
#254
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: USA
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16.5k miles * (1.0 (base miles) + 1.25 (cabin bonus) +1.2 (EXP bonus)).
Edit: 40.5k (.25 cabin bonus see post #260)
And some less clear additional amount for the AA flights.
Last edited by Quail; Oct 24, 2022 at 6:21 am
Oct 22, 2022, 11:30 am
#255
Join Date: May 2006
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For AS it would be 23,887 (for the AA coded legs) + 20,664 (for the QF legs) = 44,551 EQM
Last edited by skunker; Oct 24, 2022 at 12:03 pm