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Old Sep 15, 2022, 6:58 pm
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Dates?
Originally Posted by robboc25
Been monitoring this thread for a while. Sounds like Japan is will open by end of October so booked JFK-NRT-CGK-NRT-LAX-JFK for nov/dec. 8 days in Tokyo on the return for $2200 using IAP. Nets 700 TPs to get me back to Ba Gold.
What dates were these available on IAP?
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 2:33 pm
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Originally Posted by s187rt
What dates were these available on IAP?
was able to find dates for late November early December. I did 23rd nov to CGK, dec 2 to TYO and dec 8 to JFK.
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Old Sep 16, 2022, 3:18 pm
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 8:47 am
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Hey guys, I've found a variant of this fare for UA/NH - Star Alliance.

My question is that in the rules, there is a passage:

Code:
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN IAH/DEN
AIRPORTS AND AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT
ANY UA FLIGHT.
AND
My question is, does this mean there's a way the far can run through IAH/DEN or possibly originate there? This is significant because IAH is my home airport.

Code:
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA TRANSPACIFIC
SECTORS ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY UA
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY NH
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY NQ.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN TYO/OSA AND
HKG
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY ET.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN TYO/OSA AND
BKK/SIN
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY BR
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY SQ
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY TG.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN TYO/OSA AND
TPE
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY BR
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY SQ
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY TG.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN TYO/OSA AND
JKT/DPS
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY GA.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN TYO/OSA AND
MNL/CEB
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY PR.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN TYO/OSA AND
SGN/HAN
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY UA FLIGHT OPERATED BY NH
ANY NH FLIGHT OPERATED BY NH
ANY VN FLIGHT OPERATED BY VN.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX/SFO
AIRPORTS AND AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT
ANY UA FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN IAH/DEN
AIRPORTS AND AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT
ANY UA FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN ORD/EWR
AIRPORTS AND AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT
ANY UA FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN IAD AIRPORT
AND AREA 1
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT
ANY UA FLIGHT.

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Old Sep 17, 2022, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by s187rt
What dates were these available on IAP?
I booked through IAP 11/4 departure JFK-NRT, 11/9 departure NRT-CGK and 11/10 return 11/10 CGK-JFK for $2200 all on JL yesterday. Need the AA LPs.
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by nocigar
My question is, does this mean there's a way the far can run through IAH/DEN or possibly originate there? This is significant because IAH is my home airport.
Transit, yes; originate from, no. The fare is published NYC to JKT and has to originate in NYC.

These are the routing rules for the NH fare:

Code:
/VIA THE PACIFIC/
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
 1. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/MEX/EWR/DEN-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/
    MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/
    NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 2. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR/CHI-UA/NH-HOU/DEN-
    UA/NH-LAS-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/LAX-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/SEA/MEX/LAX-UA/
    NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/
    HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 3. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR/CHI-UA/NH-HOU/DEN-UA/NH-LAS-UA/NH-
    SJC/SFO/LAX-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/SEA/MEX/LAX-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/
    HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/
    OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 4. NYC-UA/NH-HOU/DEN-UA/NH-LAS-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/LAX-UA/NH-SJC/
    SFO/SEA/MEX/LAX-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/
    JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-
    JKT
 5. NYC-UA/NH-SNA-UA/NH-MEX-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/
    LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/
    OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 6. NYC-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/
    UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 7. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR-UA/NH-WAS-B6-NYC-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/
    HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/
    OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 8. NYC-UA/NH-WAS-B6-NYC-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/
    LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/
    OSA-UA/NH-JKT
 9. NYC-UA/NH/B6-WAS-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/
    KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-
    UA/NH-JKT
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Old Sep 17, 2022, 12:05 pm
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Thanks!

I really want to build status with AA, but this would require a positioning flight. I might look into *reluctantly* trying for UA.
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by findark
Transit, yes; originate from, no. The fare is published NYC to JKT and has to originate in NYC.

These are the routing rules for the NH fare:


Code:
/VIA THE PACIFIC/
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/MEX/EWR/DEN-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/
MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/
NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
2. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR/CHI-UA/NH-HOU/DEN-
UA/NH-LAS-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/LAX-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/SEA/MEX/LAX-UA/
NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/
HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
3. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR/CHI-UA/NH-HOU/DEN-UA/NH-LAS-UA/NH-
SJC/SFO/LAX-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/SEA/MEX/LAX-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/
HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/
OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
4. NYC-UA/NH-HOU/DEN-UA/NH-LAS-UA/NH-SJC/SFO/LAX-UA/NH-SJC/
SFO/SEA/MEX/LAX-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/
JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-
JKT
5. NYC-UA/NH-SNA-UA/NH-MEX-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/
LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/
OSA-UA/NH-JKT
6. NYC-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/
UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
7. NYC-UA/NH-WAS/NYC/EWR-UA/NH-WAS-B6-NYC-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/
HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/
OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-JKT
8. NYC-UA/NH-WAS-B6-NYC-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/
LIH/KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/
OSA-UA/NH-JKT
9. NYC-UA/NH/B6-WAS-UA/NH-HNL-WP/UA/NH/HA-OGG/MKK/LNY/LIH/
KOA/JHM/ITO-WP/UA/NH/HA-HNL-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-UA/NH-TYO/OSA-
UA/NH-JKT
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where did you get this from ? ExpertFlyer (subscription)?
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
Flying from Boston to New York via LA?
May I ask what am I doing wrong? Smiley90 nufnuf77 Kris_Chari Thanks

So if we can't do a stopover at SYD/AKL, can we do a stopover in other Australian cities? MEL, BRI, OOL, ADL, PER ... Australia is technically in Area 3, no ?



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Old Sep 21, 2022, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Bleuprince16
May I ask what am I doing wrong? Smiley90 nufnuf77 Kris_Chari Thanks



You need R availability on AA legs and C class on QF legs.
Play with EF and then go to matrix.
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 9:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Jorma
You need R availability on AA legs and C class on QF legs.
Play with EF and then go to matrix.
so my matrix input is correct, just those QF legs ran out of C Class on those dates and the AA transpacific ran out of R class on those dates... will try other dates.
Don't have paid EF. Newbie. Just started learning, experimenting and fooling around for fun. Started using Matrix about 2 weeks ago.

So how did nufnuf77 calculated the MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE? is it from matrix ? or from another website ? thanks
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Bleuprince16
so my matrix input is correct, just those QF legs ran out of C Class on those dates and the AA transpacific ran out of R class on those dates... will try other dates.
Don't have paid EF. Newbie. Just started learning, experimenting and fooling around for fun. Started using Matrix about 2 weeks ago.

So how did nufnuf77 calculated the MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE? is it from matrix ? or from another website ? thanks
Matrix won't show MPM (relevant for this AA fare) or routing maps (relevant for this UA fare).
One way to see them is EF.
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Old Sep 21, 2022, 11:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Bleuprince16
so my matrix input is correct, just those QF legs ran out of C Class on those dates and the AA transpacific ran out of R class on those dates... will try other dates.
Don't have paid EF. Newbie. Just started learning, experimenting and fooling around for fun. Started using Matrix about 2 weeks ago.

So how did nufnuf77 calculated the MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE? is it from matrix ? or from another website ? thanks
Expertflyer is easiest for MPM calculation indeed!
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Old Sep 22, 2022, 12:12 am
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Originally Posted by Bleuprince16
so my matrix input is correct, just those QF legs ran out of C Class on those dates and the AA transpacific ran out of R class on those dates... will try other dates.
Don't have paid EF. Newbie. Just started learning, experimenting and fooling around for fun. Started using Matrix about 2 weeks ago.
Yes, your input is correct. I had few times issue with matrix trying to put on ANA flight from TYO to SYD, which made the price somewhere around 17k. That was solved with "AIRLINES QF" in extension codes and then it found availability on the same date (might have been a glitch in the matrix, no pun intended).

If you are planning on starting doing mileage runs ect, yearly subscription to EF will pay off easily.
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Old Sep 22, 2022, 5:21 am
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Originally Posted by RDUflyer2
I booked through IAP 11/4 departure JFK-NRT, 11/9 departure NRT-CGK and 11/10 return 11/10 CGK-JFK for $2200 all on JL yesterday. Need the AA LPs.
How many LPs do you get for this?
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