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Please:
Do NOT call the airline while the fare is still alive!
(Definitely dead now. Plead your case to have your ticket(s) reinstated!)
Do NOT call the airline while the fare is still alive!
(Definitely dead now. Plead your case to have your ticket(s) reinstated!)
[PREM FARE GONE]Nz: Syd-lax z $944
#286
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In the absence of a passenger taking their own legal action against NZ in this case, there's nothing really to compel them to honour the fare (provided they satisfy the DOT requirements).
#287
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My QR fare said 'Golden Ticket'. My ANZ fare said 'SPECIAL FARE'. Even though we all know that they were both likely a result of some goof on the part of the airline, they both seemed to indicate some sort of a special deal. QR honored theirs and ANZ did not. Go figger.....
#288
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My QR fare said 'Golden Ticket'. My ANZ fare said 'SPECIAL FARE'. Even though we all know that they were both likely a result of some goof on the part of the airline, they both seemed to indicate some sort of a special deal. QR honored theirs and ANZ did not. Go figger.....
Air New Zealand doesn't need 100? (1000?) tickets at $1000 each. It can fill its cabins at higher fares and doesn't need the PR or anything else.
You can still take NZ to court if you want.
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#290
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In the absence of a potential legal ground, there is noting to compel airlines to honour these fares. And there's a big difference here... QR has sales all the time. They need passengers to book with confidence, and if they continually backed out of fares it would have a material effect on their bottom line (no one would book as it was too uncertain).
Air New Zealand doesn't need 100? (1000?) tickets at $1000 each. It can fill its cabins at higher fares and doesn't need the PR or anything else.
You can still take NZ to court if you want.
Air New Zealand doesn't need 100? (1000?) tickets at $1000 each. It can fill its cabins at higher fares and doesn't need the PR or anything else.
You can still take NZ to court if you want.
#291
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Maybe if you find an strong pro-consumer court. Otherwise there is some rule which can allow voiding of the contract if they prove that you knew or should have known it was a mistake. It happened to a friend, lost when an airline provided copies off all the post on flyertalk and all the blog posts with the Big Error fare do not call info.
Back in the days before the DOT rule on post purchase price increase (that they are currently not enforcing) they were honored more often than not because they didn't get such massive exposure. Its a different world now that FT has gone mainstream and the massive coverage by bloggers looking to make a buck off credit card referrals.
Back in the days before the DOT rule on post purchase price increase (that they are currently not enforcing) they were honored more often than not because they didn't get such massive exposure. Its a different world now that FT has gone mainstream and the massive coverage by bloggers looking to make a buck off credit card referrals.
#292
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Maybe if you find an strong pro-consumer court. Otherwise there is some rule which can allow voiding of the contract if they prove that you knew or should have known it was a mistake. It happened to a friend, lost when an airline provided copies off all the post on flyertalk and all the blog posts with the Big Error fare do not call info.
Back in the days before the DOT rule on post purchase price increase (that they are currently not enforcing) they were honored more often than not because they didn't get such massive exposure. Its a different world now that FT has gone mainstream and the massive coverage by bloggers looking to make a buck off credit card referrals.
Back in the days before the DOT rule on post purchase price increase (that they are currently not enforcing) they were honored more often than not because they didn't get such massive exposure. Its a different world now that FT has gone mainstream and the massive coverage by bloggers looking to make a buck off credit card referrals.
#293
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The bottom line is we don't know how many fares NZ sold at this price. But a couple hours for a lawyer to go to small claims is probably less than honouring $4000+ fares for multiple pax.
#295
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Small claims. No. And they'd likely have an in-house team anyway (absorbed cost). And if it's an expense for them, it could be a big expense for the passenger too
The bottom line is we don't know how many fares NZ sold at this price. But a couple hours for a lawyer to go to small claims is probably less than honouring $4000+ fares for multiple pax.
The bottom line is we don't know how many fares NZ sold at this price. But a couple hours for a lawyer to go to small claims is probably less than honouring $4000+ fares for multiple pax.
BTW i guess its time to remember the stages of a mistake fare
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24333242-post1362.html
We jumped to #7b pretty quick:
7b Hostile Feelings (Copa Airlines Style - fare is not honored) - Many angry and disappointed FTers. Refunds are issued. Novices have multiple discussion threads of lawsuits and hostile correspondence, FT pros mutter "c'est la vie" and look for the next fare mistake.
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#296
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I was on phone with Expedia AU to inquire about my ticket. The agent was friendly and was not sure why ticket was canceled. She said she's working with her ticketing team to get it reinstated. She said it might take weeks, but my travel isn't for another 5 months, so I have time.
She also offered me a quick refund, which I refused.
Didn't get a sense that she or anyone I spoke to were aware of the "mistake". But maybe word hasn't gotten to the front lines yet.
She also offered me a quick refund, which I refused.
Didn't get a sense that she or anyone I spoke to were aware of the "mistake". But maybe word hasn't gotten to the front lines yet.
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I was on phone with Expedia AU to inquire about my ticket. The agent was friendly and was not sure why ticket was canceled. She said she's working with her ticketing team to get it reinstated. She said it might take weeks, but my travel isn't for another 5 months, so I have time.
She also offered me a quick refund, which I refused.
Didn't get a sense that she or anyone I spoke to were aware of the "mistake". But maybe word hasn't gotten to the front lines yet.
She also offered me a quick refund, which I refused.
Didn't get a sense that she or anyone I spoke to were aware of the "mistake". But maybe word hasn't gotten to the front lines yet.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/asse...nuary-2013.pdf
#298
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I spoke to expedia.au yesterday also and refused the refund. The agent opened a case ID. I am going to wait for an official response from expedia before taking any next step. The refund has not appeared on my credit card. As for the conditions of carriage, it appears from the link that there is nothing in the terms allowing the airline to cancel the ticket.
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/asse...nuary-2013.pdf
https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/asse...nuary-2013.pdf
The refund hasn't appeared on your credit card because you refused it and they opened a case for you. Refunds take time anyways.
#299
Maybe if you find an strong pro-consumer court. Otherwise there is some rule which can allow voiding of the contract if they prove that you knew or should have known it was a mistake. It happened to a friend, lost when an airline provided copies off all the post on flyertalk and all the blog posts with the Big Error fare do not call info.
I won.
In my case I referred the court to the conditions of carriage. It didn't hurt my case.
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#300
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I have previously sued one of the world's 10 largest airlines for cancelling what it said was a mistake airfare (one widely publicised on FlyerTalk), in Australia. In 150-odd pages of documents the airline provided in discovery (I forget the correct time in a civil matter) the airline included print outs from FlyerTalk and some of the incompetent aforementioned blogs.
I won.
I won.