Apr 10, 2018, 6:28 am
Last edit by: MSPeconomist
In addition to the OP, see posts 70 and 121 for "information". Also, see post 1402 in the sticky merger thread in the Starwood forum which summarizes the information posted by OMAAT. [VFTW also had a similar discussion yesterday.]
Post 434 has a summary of qualification requirements for Marriott LTP in various periods.
Post 434 has a summary of qualification requirements for Marriott LTP in various periods.
Leaked New Combined Marriott / SPG Status Tiers
Apr 11, 2018, 9:36 am
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Increasingly, the only difference between a limited-service Fairfield Inn hotel and a full-service Marriott flagship Marriott hotel is the quality of the bed, linen and toiletries (the latter apparently on their way out) as well as the presence of a club lounge and lobby bar/restaurant.
But outside of major destinations, it's rare in my experience to find a Marriott -- particularly those located in office parks and the suburbs -- with any service, let alone full-service. Gone are the days when a full-service hotel would have a bellman or doorman, concierge (not that an airport or suburban hotel needs one), and room service. Heck, you can't even get a newspaper delivered to your room anymore. What constitutes a full-service hotel anymore is beyond me.
But outside of major destinations, it's rare in my experience to find a Marriott -- particularly those located in office parks and the suburbs -- with any service, let alone full-service. Gone are the days when a full-service hotel would have a bellman or doorman, concierge (not that an airport or suburban hotel needs one), and room service. Heck, you can't even get a newspaper delivered to your room anymore. What constitutes a full-service hotel anymore is beyond me.
Apr 11, 2018, 9:39 am
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Well, Marriott already has three sub-statuses that are in some way or another unpublished: platinum-premier, ambassador and platinum-five-star. If the status levels moving forward are platinum-premier as the old platinum and ambassador as a combination of old platinum-premier and old ambassador then it's likely there will be something unpublished, if only for platinum-five-star.
Apr 11, 2018, 9:40 am
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While it is sad that anyone who stays at Marriott properties and has been following how they handle this merger thinks decisions are being made arbitrarily as opposed to after study and balance, each is entitled to his own opinion. I disagree and believe the number was chosen after looking at how much a perk costs, how many people spend what and how much of that is profit and the probable difference in income/profit offering and not offering a perk to specific groups. Of course we do not know whether either is true, but correctly identifying opinion separate from fact allows everyone to evaluate statements correctly and keeps stuff from being stirred when someone claims a wild guess is fact.
Apr 11, 2018, 9:48 am
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OT, there are actually some really nice FIs out there. The Gulch FI in Nashville is swank and well located. Marriott family ;properties near DFW are notoriously horrible (Gaylord is just hard to get in and out of if the hotel is not your destination) but the FI is, IMO, the best airport Marriott hotel. The St Cloud MN FI did the single best customer service move ever IMO when the manager cleared ice off of all the car windows when it was -13F!
Apr 11, 2018, 9:54 am
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Because it seems to be entirely arbitrary.
As of 2014, Marriott's average nightly room rate in North America was $130. If you did 100 nights at $130, that's $13,000.
From everything I have ever read, Marriott's heretofore unpublished sub-status -- platinum premier -- wasn't awarded without at least 125 nights per year.
Dropping the threshold to 100 nights when 100 nights at the average nightly room rate is unlikely to meet a threshold of $20,000 would seem to be the definition of arbitrary.
As of 2014, Marriott's average nightly room rate in North America was $130. If you did 100 nights at $130, that's $13,000.
From everything I have ever read, Marriott's heretofore unpublished sub-status -- platinum premier -- wasn't awarded without at least 125 nights per year.
Dropping the threshold to 100 nights when 100 nights at the average nightly room rate is unlikely to meet a threshold of $20,000 would seem to be the definition of arbitrary.
Average spend at SPG Platinum members
It was inspired by some data that Hyatt posted on their website:
“Platinum tier members generate average annual revenue of $6,000 per member. Diamond tier members generate average annual revenue of $16,000 per member”
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea....tt-statistics/
Obviously each hotel Brand will have different numbers, but if Hyatt’s top tier Diamonds were generating that type of annual revenue 9 years ago, a required $20000 annual spend for top Ambassador level doesn’t sound crazy to me.
I understand Marriott opting to make a super upper tier level. I suppose I even understand further distinguishing the remaining Plats. It makes sense to incentivize additional stays after one makes Platinum. The rumor that distresses me is the stripping away of almost all of the benefits from Platinum50. Plat50 without upgrades, 4 pm checkout and breakfasts isn’t Platinum. It isn’t even Gold.
I really hope those are false rumors.
Apr 11, 2018, 9:59 am
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Then make the top elite status level, whether unpublished or published, strictly about revenue and not room nights.
Apr 11, 2018, 10:05 am
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If im not mistaken, world of hyatt globalist can be earned by getting 100k base point. With $1:5base point rate it become $20k spending
i guess that is the expected top tier spending now?
Personally, my spending/year will surpass that number
but night count ... most likely less than 75
i guess that is the expected top tier spending now?
Personally, my spending/year will surpass that number
but night count ... most likely less than 75
Apr 11, 2018, 10:13 am
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Way back in 2009 there was a thread here on FT in the SPG forum about annual average Elite spend.
Average spend at SPG Platinum members
It was inspired by some data that Hyatt posted on their website:
“Platinum tier members generate average annual revenue of $6,000 per member. Diamond tier members generate average annual revenue of $16,000 per member”
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea....tt-statistics/
Obviously each hotel Brand will have different numbers, but if Hyatt’s top tier Diamonds were generating that type of annual revenue 9 years ago, a required $20000 annual spend for top Ambassador level doesn’t sound crazy to me.
I understand Marriott opting to make a super upper tier level. I suppose I even understand further distinguishing the remaining Plats. It makes sense to incentivize additional stays after one makes Platinum. The rumor that distresses me is the stripping away of almost all of the benefits from Platinum50. Plat50 without upgrades, 4 pm checkout and breakfasts isn’t Platinum. It isn’t even Gold.
I really hope those are false rumors.
Apr 11, 2018, 10:16 am
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Don't current Marriott golds get lounge access?
Apr 11, 2018, 10:17 am
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If im not mistaken, world of hyatt globalist can be earned by getting 100k base point. With $1:5base point rate it become $20k spending
i guess that is the expected top tier spending now?
Personally, my spending/year will surpass that number
but night count ... most likely less than 75
i guess that is the expected top tier spending now?
Personally, my spending/year will surpass that number
but night count ... most likely less than 75
Apr 11, 2018, 10:20 am
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Unfortunately, they could be copying the Delta model of a dollar spending amount and a certain number of miles (nights) combined.
Apr 11, 2018, 10:27 am
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Apr 11, 2018, 10:28 am
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you are right, it isnt plat or gold..it will be plat. 50. comparing what tiers USED to be in an OLD, discontinued program is silly and a waste of time. Best we can really say is its a devaluation of statuses from what we have been used to all these years but a new program is just that, a completely new program.
Apr 11, 2018, 10:34 am
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Apr 11, 2018, 10:43 am
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Excellent post thank you. If these new tiers come to fruition the purpose of calling 50 nights Platinum is to dilute SPG grandfathered lifetime Platinum so by name only they are Platinum in the new program. I expect Platinum 50 to receive almost the same benefits as the current Gold in MR.