As I mentioned, we all have our own personal set of ethics and morales, if you disagree fine but please dont try to downplay my personal set of ethics and morales

i'm not commenting on anyones morals or ethic including yours

I'm commenting on calling this theft; thats a pretty broad reach of the term theft and I'd truly be interested in seeing one instance where Marriott has even attempted prosecuting theft of this sort; I'm sure marriott's prosecute for theft in many other instances but I would like to see where they have prosecuted in the case of inproper use of a corporate or other discount code. It appears to me that Marriotts recourse is to charge rack rate for using a guest using a code that the customer does not have the proper ID. I do not believe there is any chance of being prosecuted for theft charges for ineligible use of a corporate or discount code.

to me it appears you are trying to yell fire and scare the pants off everyone in your efforts to enforce in its most restrictive application of every MR rule, t&c etc

I can only assume you're applying this logic selectively

Would any of these examples still be considered crimes?

Speeding but not being caught

Murder but not being caught

Certainly stealing without being caught?

Certainly using a code which you KNOWINGLY have no right to use is a crime even though you might never be prosecuted (personally I've never considered being successfully prosecuted a required item to have committed a crime)

Again everyone will have personal ethics and morals....and I think you've come to know me well enough over the past decade or so to know my intent is never one to scare anyone...in fact before yesterday this has been the only time I've gone public with my view of this as being a theft (if you do a search of my posts you'll only see me commenting in the past on individuals personal morals/ethics when discussing this topic)....

again if anyone disagrees and their morals/ethics allow them to use codes to which they knowingly aren't eligible to use that is there choice

On a personal note, I've expected more from you (regardless of the difference between our personal views) I find your closing statement extremely offensive. To say I'm "trying to yell fire and scare the pants off everyone in your efforts to enforce in its most restrictive application of every MR rule, t&c etc" is just an out right lie and you know better! You've been around here long enough to know this if the farthest from the truth and I defy you to find just one example where I've done this.....infact I've quite often done the opposite and informed the members of the MI threads when they WOULDN'T/SHOULDN'T have an issue even though the rules state otherwise

Can I gently suggest that those who have dif views re: the use of codes take it to PM or post in the gazillion threads that already exist re: one should use a code one is not entitled to??? Because goodness knows the topic hasn't been discussed enough before :rolleyes:

THIS thread is to list publicly available codes, and yes to ask if one qualifies if there is some ambiguity (LPR comes to mind). It is NOT to accuse other FTers of theft or having questionable morals or ethics or use scare tactics or sort out repercussions (although having to pay rack rate seems to be the main one).

Cheers.

Thats exactly my question - where are all the publicly available codes??

Don't we have something like:
flyertalk.com/forum/intercontinental-hotels-priority-club-inter-continental-ambassador/1031891-ic-master-promo-thread-2010-a.html

here for MR??

First, welcome to FT. Second, you're posting in the actual thread where the codes are listed in the first post, asking where all the codes are :D

Cheers.

Thanks !! Wow - I don't know how I missed that :) May I assume these are all up to date ?? (I ask because it says "Last edited by hhoope01; Feb 4, 09 at 11:17 pm"

While I haven't tried most of them in a while, I suspect the majority is still valid. And I haven't seen any new "valid" public codes recently to add. If you find one or more, post them and I will update the first post.

@ hhoope01 & moderator:

• As other sources provide an extensive list of corporate & promotional codes for online bookings that may or may not make significant discounts available,
• you asked the general membership in your OP to come up with mentioned codes that are not public and
• in light of ongoing discussions about the consequences of taking advantage of discounts that a customer may or may not be eligible for,

let me present a suggestion:

Marriott offers a healthy & very competitive BRG Program but excludes rate types where the guarantee does not apply:

I am not an expert like our Mastermind GlenntheBaker but I am confident to say that a significant number codes you provided are not eligible for BRG claim.

As there is a significant number of members who participate in Marriott’s BRG Program, if you provide a list of codes grouped i three sections (Publicly Available Rates, Membership Rates, Package Rates) this will be a much more valuable sources.

You may also eliminate those negotiated corporate rates that still cause heart-ache.

Code for VISA Summer Cross Brand Promotion is V12, labeled in OP as “International Hotels (20% discount)

As it is fairly standard practice on FT for the 1st post in a thread to contain the basic information for which the sticky was created....am unsure why UA1K_PCPA_MP thinks that is unusual. And I see no reason to protect others from the consequences of using a code to which they are not entitled - Marriott or their own conscience can do so. So although I understand the basis for which SmartShopper is advocating change, I would ask that we leave the list as is.

The codes certainly can change, which simply means it won't work, one is not qualified to use it OR (as SmartShopper) indicates, the criteria changes - easy enough for one to figure out when attempting to use it.

The header of the thread is not "rates to which everyone is entitled at all times", nor is it "rate codes which will guarantee a successful BRG code". IMO, "publicly usable" means "available to the public and usable if one meets the criteria".

LPR will at times bring up a rate which would not meet the BRG standards...but I (or someone in my party) is qualified to use it. I have found the same to be true of the D codes. And although the new Marriott site provides listings for packages, I have found several instances where PKG brings up a rate not listed, and is valid - but would not work for BRG.

BRG is a great program, and with GlenntheBaker's help (who IS a mastermind at finding qualified comparison rates^) , saved me almost $175 per night in NYC last week - when nothing on this thread worked. But for the SuperBowl, no one could find a rate against which to file a BRG - but a code in this thread found me a rate for $99....if I had XXX. As I did, instant savings of $300 per. Thank you, hhoope01!^

I agree w/ sophiegirl on all of her points above.

Plus SmartShopper is asking the OP to do additional work, when the OP is already handling this & the meet-up thread.

sophie, UA1K_PCPA_MP is new to FT & he probably just clicked on the last, newest post in the thread when he posted asking about the codes. He (well I'm guessing he's a he) mentioned in a later post that he couldn't believe he missed them.

Leave the list as it is is my input.

Cheers.

I'm not sure that posting a link to information that the owner (i.e. Marriott) asked us to remove is in the spirit of honoring their request.

I relooked at my OP, and I don't see anywhere where I asked FTers to come up with non-public codes. I'm not sure where you got that idea and apologize if I gave that impression somewhere in the OP as that was not my intention.

I have no issues with reorganizing or modifying the list to make it more readable and useable by FTers. Unfortunately, I'm not much of a BRG expert, so I don't really know which of the listed codes will work all or even some of the time with the BRG. But I have no issues with adding an entry to each code stating which codes work or don't work with BRG. I just need members here to let me know which codes to update and I will do that.

Thanks for the suggestion and if I can get input on the BRG and which codes allow it, I'll update the list. ^

I pondered the question of removing the link to those non-public codes and decided to think about it a while longer. Pretending that such sites don't exist would be silly; Marriott, Flyertalk and all of us know that they do. Allowing the link to remain just makes it ever so slightly easier to get there, but anyone who is interested can get there anyway without breaking a sweat. I may remove the link eventually, especially if more people complain about it, but it strikes me as closing the barn door after the horses have left.

I will continue to remove proprietary codes from Flyertalk postings (as opposed to links to other sites).

Bruce
Moderator

Marriott offers tools like EEO’s (available to MR Gold & Platinum Elite members) and BB that are only good if customers book any publicly listed room rate and they cannot combined with any other any discount rates (except publicly listed room rates), certificates, coupons, Advance Purchase, government, negotiated corporate, or group convention rates. If guests like to take advantage of these offers and are prepared to play by the rule book, one huge opportunity to lower the rate and redeem an EEO or BB is to successfully request a BRG claim which results in – for that purpose qualifying - LNF rates. IMO this is the key question: What qualifies a rate as a publicly listed room rate?

I disagree and stick to this simple answer: Staying on a publicly listed room rate does not require me to provide sufficient proof if I am eligible to stay at this rate (if asked at check in).

If you like us to inform you of codes that are not public than we have to know your intensions: Do like to publish on this BB only those codes without any need to provide sufficient proof if asked? Or would like to go further and let you like to decide the membership if the feel qualified to use? To give you a flavor, here are two examples:

• All codes that will lead to negotiated corporate rates. I quoted some of them in my previous post. These codes where removed from moderator; however, they are untouched and still available in post #1 (don’t know what’s the rational for this move)!
• All codes like AAA, A9M & ARP, that lead to discount rates offered only to members of groups or individuals who meet previously-specified criteria.