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Originally Posted by cmd320
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Completely disagree. Marriott couldn't care less about the environment, this is 100% a cost-cutting measure wrapped up in some environmental marketing hype to get people on board with it. A swath of 4 small bottles or 1 big bottle is still going to produce the same amount of plastic. If they were really concerned about the environment they would remove the plastic all together and use glass bottles.
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As others have stated, this is overall a good development... but I think they need to explain how they will ensure that nobody has tampered with the bottles. Those pictures don't show anything that would prevent somebody from opening up a bottle, messing with it, and closing it back up.
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Originally Posted by cmd320
(Post 31466566)
A swath of 4 small bottles or 1 big bottle is still going to produce the same amount of plastic.
If they were really concerned about the environment they would remove the plastic all together and use glass bottles. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 31466582)
Alas, I think this is false.
So Marriott taking steps to reduce plastic is not a good step for the environment? That is incorrect, regardless of the reason. Your statement is a fallacy: it can't be true because they didn't to enough or could've done more. |
Originally Posted by Zeeb
(Post 31466577)
As others have stated, this is overall a good development... but I think they need to explain how they will ensure that nobody has tampered with the bottles. Those pictures don't show anything that would prevent somebody from opening up a bottle, messing with it, and closing it back up.
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The numbers put the lie to those indicating this Marriott policy doesn't change much:
https://www.plasticsnews.com/news/ma...es-hotel-rooms Now Marriott expects most hotels in the company's portfolio will switch to larger bottles by the end of next year. The decision will eliminate some 500 million little plastic bottles for products such as shampoo, conditioner, lotion and shower gel. Marriott expects to cut plastic use by 1.7 million pounds per year. That's about 30 percent of the company's plastic consumption. Marriott indicated more than 20 percent of its more than 7,000 locations now use pump-top bottles that contain 10 to 12 times more product than the smaller single-use bottles. Marriott also said it has eliminated the use of more than 1 billion plastic straws by moving to an "on-demand approach" at its properties and using alternative products. "Today's announcement won't eliminate our use of plastic, of course. Large toiletry bottles eventually have to be recycled too. Our guests have made it clear they want us to maintain toiletries in their rooms. That is the quality and service level they are accustomed to. Shifting to pump dispensers is a smart change," Sorenson said on his LinkedIn page. Still, haters gonna hate. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
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The numbers put the lie to those indicating this Marriott policy doesn't change much:
https://www.plasticsnews.com/news/ma...es-hotel-rooms Bolding mine. Sorenson was quite forthright, and yet the reduction in plastic use and consumption is absolutely significant. This is good environmental progress, and it's good business. A rare combo, indeed. Still, haters gonna hate. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
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I won't use stuff from the big dispenser bottles. I always bring my own toiletries to use if I don't like what the hotel supplies. Sometimes even high quality products are too strongly scented or too floral for my taste. |
Originally Posted by cmd320
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Find me the numbers on how much Marriott saves in cost each year based on this. That would be much more interesting information. If 1.7 million lbs is a 30% savings in plastic, that still leaves quite a bit, big bottles or not.
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Originally Posted by cmd320
(Post 31466746)
Find me the numbers on how much Marriott saves in cost each year based on this. That would be much more interesting information. If 1.7 million lbs is a 30% savings in plastic, that still leaves quite a bit, big bottles or not.
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Originally Posted by bhrubin
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It is a 30% savings on plastic every year, regardless of all other factors and including the big bottles. That is a good thing, no matter the cost savings you want to focus on.
Sigh. Now, if this gets some kind of better bath products than the new trash they're using, that may be a positive, we'll see I suppose. |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 31466528)
I suspect this change is driven by legitimate environmental concerns, though cost savings are surely also being taken account.
Disposable plastics are a huge environmental problem. I have a hard time believing Marriott is doing it for a reason other than cost. If they can point to environmental concerns, that's the convenient cover for making the change. Large companies have been doing this for at least 10 years now.
Originally Posted by Zeeb
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As others have stated, this is overall a good development... but I think they need to explain how they will ensure that nobody has tampered with the bottles. Those pictures don't show anything that would prevent somebody from opening up a bottle, messing with it, and closing it back up.
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Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 31466851)
I have a hard time believing Marriott is doing it for a reason other than cost. If they can point to environmental concerns, that's the convenient cover for making the change. Large companies have been doing this for at least 10 years now.
People are so worried about the reasons that they are missing the forest through the trees: ignoring the actual and tangibly very positive environmental impact. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
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Yet the end result is still very good for the environment. So what's the problem? If the cost savings are the only reason for this change, it still is very good for the environment.
People are so worried about the reasons that they are missing the forest through the trees: ignoring the actual and tangibly very positive environmental impact. |
The luxury hotels that use dispenser in my experience was using ceramic bottle with metal pump.
It wasn't sealed and can be opened easily. I wonder if staff empty the bottle and clean them thoroughly after guest check out? And since the bottle was quite large, how much shampoo/shower gel/conditioner/lotion will be thrown out when they clean these bottles |
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