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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Aug 4, 2016, 7:48 pm
#1876
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This has been stated before by the Australian authorities, but it is the first time it has been acknowledged by the Malaysians:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/wo...nes-mh370.html
The pilot of the Malaysia Airlines jetliner that mysteriously vanished more than two years ago had used his personal flight simulator to practice a path over the remote southern Indian Ocean, where the aircraft is believed to have crashed, the country’s transport minister said on Thursday.
The remarks by the minister, Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai, represented the first time the Malaysian government had acknowledged that the flight simulator belonging to the pilot of Flight 370, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, contained such a path, leading far from any route his airline flew.
The remarks by the minister, Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai, represented the first time the Malaysian government had acknowledged that the flight simulator belonging to the pilot of Flight 370, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah, contained such a path, leading far from any route his airline flew.
May 14, 2018, 9:33 am
#1877
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1
MH370 plausible theory NO ONE has mentioned
Essentially, after watching another one of the specials where they show satellite path images of the plan and it's route, I had a thought.
Why did the plane do a complete 180?
Could it have any merit that the young 29 year old co-pilot or Captain Zahrie have been trying to do something, and the other one spent those hours desperately trying to talk him out of it?
the cabin was surely depressurized, asphyxiating the passengers. So it would just be the two in the cockpit. The flight seems desperate and indecisive.
To me, a depressed man intent on suicide may have just wanted an ear for those hours. The other man, seeing that the passengers were dead was probably in shock and terrified for his own life. He surely would have begged and spent those hours trying to hear the other out. Of course it was futile but still. Why is no one seeing from out of the box?
Why did the plane do a complete 180?
Could it have any merit that the young 29 year old co-pilot or Captain Zahrie have been trying to do something, and the other one spent those hours desperately trying to talk him out of it?
the cabin was surely depressurized, asphyxiating the passengers. So it would just be the two in the cockpit. The flight seems desperate and indecisive.
To me, a depressed man intent on suicide may have just wanted an ear for those hours. The other man, seeing that the passengers were dead was probably in shock and terrified for his own life. He surely would have begged and spent those hours trying to hear the other out. Of course it was futile but still. Why is no one seeing from out of the box?
May 14, 2018, 9:03 pm
#1878
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Essentially, after watching another one of the specials where they show satellite path images of the plan and it's route, I had a thought.
Why did the plane do a complete 180?
Could it have any merit that the young 29 year old co-pilot or Captain Zahrie have been trying to do something, and the other one spent those hours desperately trying to talk him out of it?
the cabin was surely depressurized, asphyxiating the passengers. So it would just be the two in the cockpit. The flight seems desperate and indecisive.
To me, a depressed man intent on suicide may have just wanted an ear for those hours. The other man, seeing that the passengers were dead was probably in shock and terrified for his own life. He surely would have begged and spent those hours trying to hear the other out. Of course it was futile but still. Why is no one seeing from out of the box?
Why did the plane do a complete 180?
Could it have any merit that the young 29 year old co-pilot or Captain Zahrie have been trying to do something, and the other one spent those hours desperately trying to talk him out of it?
the cabin was surely depressurized, asphyxiating the passengers. So it would just be the two in the cockpit. The flight seems desperate and indecisive.
To me, a depressed man intent on suicide may have just wanted an ear for those hours. The other man, seeing that the passengers were dead was probably in shock and terrified for his own life. He surely would have begged and spent those hours trying to hear the other out. Of course it was futile but still. Why is no one seeing from out of the box?
Perhaps an alien craft beamed the plane up and a few pieces didn't make it into outer space, or maybe they're LOST on a mystery island battling smoke monsters, or maybe there was never a plane and we don't even exist and we're in one giant matrix.
Ultimately these ideas as just as right as yours. I find it best not to speculate :-)
May 16, 2018, 7:15 am
#1879
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Essentially, after watching another one of the specials where they show satellite path images of the plan and it's route, I had a thought.
Why did the plane do a complete 180?
Could it have any merit that the young 29 year old co-pilot or Captain Zahrie have been trying to do something, and the other one spent those hours desperately trying to talk him out of it?
the cabin was surely depressurized, asphyxiating the passengers. So it would just be the two in the cockpit. The flight seems desperate and indecisive.
To me, a depressed man intent on suicide may have just wanted an ear for those hours. The other man, seeing that the passengers were dead was probably in shock and terrified for his own life. He surely would have begged and spent those hours trying to hear the other out. Of course it was futile but still. Why is no one seeing from out of the box?
Why did the plane do a complete 180?
Could it have any merit that the young 29 year old co-pilot or Captain Zahrie have been trying to do something, and the other one spent those hours desperately trying to talk him out of it?
the cabin was surely depressurized, asphyxiating the passengers. So it would just be the two in the cockpit. The flight seems desperate and indecisive.
To me, a depressed man intent on suicide may have just wanted an ear for those hours. The other man, seeing that the passengers were dead was probably in shock and terrified for his own life. He surely would have begged and spent those hours trying to hear the other out. Of course it was futile but still. Why is no one seeing from out of the box?
here.
Jun 1, 2021, 7:50 am
#1880
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MH370 pilot 'made many turns to avoid detection' before jet vanished
The pilot of flight MH370 that disappeared seven years ago made numerous turns to avoid detection before the passenger jet took its final, fatal course, a new study found.
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The research by aerospace engineer Richard Godfrey, of the Independent Group of Scientists, set up to solve the MH370 mystery - found that the flight path of the Boeing 777 jet was "significantly different" from earlier modelling based on satellite data.
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Mr Godfrey based his findings on weak radio signals that cover the earth, known as the "weak signal propagation report" network, or WSPR.
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But his research suggests the pilot had changed direction and speed multiple times to avoid giving any clear idea where he was heading. "The pilot of MH370 generally avoided official flight routes from 18:00 UTC (2am Australian Western Standard Time) onwards but used waypoints to navigate on unofficial flight paths in the Malacca Strait, around Sumatra and across the Southern Indian Ocean," Mr Godfrey said.
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The research by aerospace engineer Richard Godfrey, of the Independent Group of Scientists, set up to solve the MH370 mystery - found that the flight path of the Boeing 777 jet was "significantly different" from earlier modelling based on satellite data.
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Mr Godfrey based his findings on weak radio signals that cover the earth, known as the "weak signal propagation report" network, or WSPR.
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But his research suggests the pilot had changed direction and speed multiple times to avoid giving any clear idea where he was heading. "The pilot of MH370 generally avoided official flight routes from 18:00 UTC (2am Australian Western Standard Time) onwards but used waypoints to navigate on unofficial flight paths in the Malacca Strait, around Sumatra and across the Southern Indian Ocean," Mr Godfrey said.
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Mar 22, 2022, 2:52 am
#1883
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Sussex
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Posts: 786
Interesting
Interesting video about tracking MH370 via disturbances in Ham radio signal variances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq-d4Kl8Xh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq-d4Kl8Xh4
Dec 18, 2022, 3:40 am
#1884
Join Date: Dec 2022
Posts: 2
Australia's DSTG studied all the telemetry from MH370 between 1:21am & 2:25am and concluded MH370 suffered catastrophic electrical failure.
Had either pilot switched off the ADS-B Satcom in the cockpit then a device called the SDU would have automatically generated a log off request to the satellite. MH370 never sent a log -off request.
At 02:25am, MH370 generated a log on request which would only happen in the event of ELMS rebooting the electrics after complete power failure.
The SDU operated off MH370's Left AC Bus relay DSTG concluded pilots were unable to use the transfer bus to power the aircraft. It is most likely the Air Supply Cabin Pressure Controller (ASCPC) was disabled causing the cabin to depressurize at FL350.
Had either pilot switched off the ADS-B Satcom in the cockpit then a device called the SDU would have automatically generated a log off request to the satellite. MH370 never sent a log -off request.
At 02:25am, MH370 generated a log on request which would only happen in the event of ELMS rebooting the electrics after complete power failure.
The SDU operated off MH370's Left AC Bus relay DSTG concluded pilots were unable to use the transfer bus to power the aircraft. It is most likely the Air Supply Cabin Pressure Controller (ASCPC) was disabled causing the cabin to depressurize at FL350.
Last edited by JAL750; Dec 18, 2022 at 3:48 am
Dec 18, 2022, 4:09 am
#1885
Join Date: Dec 2022
Posts: 2
Godfrey is full of dog poop. He designed exhaust systems for aircraft. He has never been a LAME, or a pilot. The satellite signal at 00:19 UTC , indicates MH370 flamed out and dropped at 25,300 fpm. Godfrey insists that the pilot lowered undercarriage without hydraulics. We know when the China Airlines 006 B747SP tumbled from 42,000ftin 1985, that it pulled 5G. at 18,745 fpm.
So how could a pilot alone in the cockpit of a tumbling B777 at 5G without hydraulics lower undercarriage?
Just suppose a pilot did lower undercarriage, wouldn't that be an act of self preservation to control the rate of descent.?
Godfrey has no clue, he has never been a pilot.
So how could a pilot alone in the cockpit of a tumbling B777 at 5G without hydraulics lower undercarriage?
Just suppose a pilot did lower undercarriage, wouldn't that be an act of self preservation to control the rate of descent.?
Godfrey has no clue, he has never been a pilot.
Mar 8, 2023, 7:53 pm
#1886
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 8,964
New Netflix Doc
Dropped tonight. 3 episodes. Well done. Some difficult moments reliving some of the news reporting and watching the emotions of the family members. Perhaps not a lot of new information.... but a good synopsis of the old.
Mar 9, 2023, 11:39 am
#1888
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Mar 9, 2023, 10:24 pm
#1889
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Mar 9, 2023, 10:37 pm
#1890
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It's overly dramatic and very conspiracy theory driven. A lot of people wanting to believe their theories. It was ok...but I prefer mayday much more as it is not made to create more drama and bs.