Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Dec 5, 2019, 4:54 pm
#736
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 51
About new qualifications for HON:
If you qualify for HON in 2019/2020 or 2020 (old system), you'll get status until Feb 2023.
If you qualify for HON in 2021 (new system), you'll get status until Feb 2023.
If you qualify for HON in 2020/2021 (special rule), you'll get status until Feb 2024.
So, if you get 600k HON miles in 2020, you*ll get HON status until Feb 2023.
If you qualify for HON in 2019/2020 or 2020 (old system), you'll get status until Feb 2023.
If you qualify for HON in 2021 (new system), you'll get status until Feb 2023.
If you qualify for HON in 2020/2021 (special rule), you'll get status until Feb 2024.
So, if you get 600k HON miles in 2020, you*ll get HON status until Feb 2023.
If you are not yet HON and you collect 600k HON miles in 2020, then I agree that you would get HON until Feb 2023, because that's how the old system worked. (It's as if your qualification period was 2019/2020.)
Dec 6, 2019, 12:09 am
#737
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,481
My interpretation is that if you are a current HON with requal period 2020/2021, then if you collect 600k miles in 2020, you'll get status until Feb 2024, per your third case ("If you qualify for HON in 2020/2021 (special rule)...").
If you are not yet HON and you collect 600k HON miles in 2020, then I agree that you would get HON until Feb 2023, because that's how the old system worked. (It's as if your qualification period was 2019/2020.)
If you are not yet HON and you collect 600k HON miles in 2020, then I agree that you would get HON until Feb 2023, because that's how the old system worked. (It's as if your qualification period was 2019/2020.)
Dec 6, 2019, 9:16 am
#738
Join Date: Aug 2010
Programs: LH SEN, HH Diamond
Posts: 72
Are previously earned QF added to star point conversion
After reading the official information as well as the press reports, i am puzzled with the total QF calculation.
I will be 3 stars SEN by Dec 2020. I have been SEN for the last 15 years. So i will receive 7500 QF for it and this is clear.
Now will they add to these QF the flown QF for all the years since 1994? As I calculated my QF for all my flights and got 9300 QF for the period 1994-2019. If both are added, I clearly qualify for
LT SEN.
So, do they simply consider that the star points translated into QF is the final values I will have on 2021-01-01?
I could not find any answer to this question.
Thanks
I will be 3 stars SEN by Dec 2020. I have been SEN for the last 15 years. So i will receive 7500 QF for it and this is clear.
Now will they add to these QF the flown QF for all the years since 1994? As I calculated my QF for all my flights and got 9300 QF for the period 1994-2019. If both are added, I clearly qualify for
LT SEN.
So, do they simply consider that the star points translated into QF is the final values I will have on 2021-01-01?
I could not find any answer to this question.
Thanks
Dec 6, 2019, 12:09 pm
#739
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 51
Dec 6, 2019, 12:10 pm
#740
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 51
After reading the official information as well as the press reports, i am puzzled with the total QF calculation.
I will be 3 stars SEN by Dec 2020. I have been SEN for the last 15 years. So i will receive 7500 QF for it and this is clear.
Now will they add to these QF the flown QF for all the years since 1994? As I calculated my QF for all my flights and got 9300 QF for the period 1994-2019. If both are added, I clearly qualify for
LT SEN.
So, do they simply consider that the star points translated into QF is the final values I will have on 2021-01-01?
I could not find any answer to this question.
Thanks
I will be 3 stars SEN by Dec 2020. I have been SEN for the last 15 years. So i will receive 7500 QF for it and this is clear.
Now will they add to these QF the flown QF for all the years since 1994? As I calculated my QF for all my flights and got 9300 QF for the period 1994-2019. If both are added, I clearly qualify for
LT SEN.
So, do they simply consider that the star points translated into QF is the final values I will have on 2021-01-01?
I could not find any answer to this question.
Thanks
Dec 6, 2019, 2:11 pm
#741
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
Understood! I was mostly reacting to sophialite 's comment about how she'd be better off not collecting 600k HON miles in 2020. For someone who is already HON, this is not actually something you need to worry about. Thanks for confirming we're on the same page!
Dec 6, 2019, 2:23 pm
#743
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
Oh cool. I probably have neither the spirit nor the will nor enough justification work or pleasure-wise to accomplish that. But it's looking like a solid 400-k450k HON mile year.
Dec 9, 2019, 8:11 am
#744
Join Date: Jun 2019
Programs: Lufthansa Miles & More - Senator
Posts: 12
Does anyone know if flights operated by TK will still only get you 25% of the qualifying status points or will that go away? 
Dec 9, 2019, 2:49 pm
#747
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: HAG
Programs: Der 5* FTL
Posts: 8,057
As long as you don't get 0. I don't know if there are many TK classes with 0 earning on M&M but the other way round it's quite common.
Dec 9, 2019, 2:58 pm
#748
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2000
Posts: 15,347
No, I believe that you will get points and status points BUT half your status points need to be on LH group airlines, otherwise no status. So for example 480 SP's on TK won't do it. In that case you would need at least 720 points assuming that 480 were on TK.
Dec 11, 2019, 1:21 am
#749
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maribor SLO
Programs: MM silver, Flying blue Platinum, A3 gold, Marriott platinum, IHG gold
Posts: 132
Just checking: I am FTL till 2-2022. If I requalify in 2020, my status will be valid till 2-2024?