New Business Class coming to LH [merged]
Jul 18, 2011, 12:24 am
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Jul 18, 2011, 12:24 am
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Jul 18, 2011, 12:32 am
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Jul 18, 2011, 1:22 am
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Actually yes, I do. While LH is very conservative with its offering, they are usually quite fresh and modern design wise. They have a distint style language from lounges to aircraft interior and this is especially clear in 1st class. So I am hoping for something a bit less boring. Don't get me wrong, LH will never create the ultimate in luxury but they should be able to create something more modern than the boring gold plated design of the likes of EK.
Jul 18, 2011, 4:24 am
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I just got off a Lufthansa flight and in the seat pocket there was an interview (I believe from the upcoming August magazine - correct me if I'm wrong) about the new 747-8. The interesting thing was that it stated that LH will be revealing a new business class seat with the debut of the 747-8. Finally!! Anyone else heard anything?
Jul 18, 2011, 1:07 pm
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This is certainly true. In the aspect of the best C cabins out there LH has some homework to do. However, from my perspective (I do most of my flying on LH longhaul in Y) any C cabin feels like heaven. Therefore I have no symphaty for those who complain about the current C product. If it is so bad, don't fly it.
You have to love LH (as I do) to complain, I agree. Its an airline I have flown with from childhood (and Im not German or anything). It captures the romance of air travel for me and I think many others. It used to be cutting edge in product offering. Some of us just feel bad that its now permanently behind the times on hard and even (all too often ) soft product. I WANT to fly LH and still do but much less than I would; all too often, the dictates of logic and value prevail. But it does not have to be this way, no?
One thing I do feel though, the cabin crew are much firendlier and more cosmopolitan than when I was in my teens ... my theory was that this was due to the forced absorption of Interflug in the early 1990s... is there any truth to my specualtion, does anyone know?
Jul 18, 2011, 3:23 pm
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LH made a massive transition from a public enterprise that was cash strapped in the early years of privatisation to a market leader in terms of cash flow and profit. Many longtime LH employees I've talked to remember the days when Weber went begging to the bank for financing day to day operations and new fleet purchases. Nowadays they just buy the planes outright. This sort of explains why they don't want to spend big bucks and park a significant part of their fleet for a seat refit.
Jul 18, 2011, 4:51 pm
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Im sorry, i think you misunderstood me. I meant exactly the opposite i.e. that LH is more cosmopolitan today than in the early 1990s :-) Im not suggesting that absorption of Interflug made it more cosmopolitan, quite the reverse!
I take your point re the economics and I guess they have a nice captive market ion germany so they can afford to stay at the low end of the product , flogging any unsold seats dirt cheap to the likes of me (last month JFK India in J was < USD 3000 on LH and USD 4500+ on LX, BA, EK); as an economist i would agree this makes sense if you can get away with it. As a customer who, as I said, loves LH, it would be nice if their product topped BA and made them the No 1 quality global airline. Thats my limited point, and yes, its just a wish -- im not grounding it in a business rationale.
I take your point re the economics and I guess they have a nice captive market ion germany so they can afford to stay at the low end of the product , flogging any unsold seats dirt cheap to the likes of me (last month JFK India in J was < USD 3000 on LH and USD 4500+ on LX, BA, EK); as an economist i would agree this makes sense if you can get away with it. As a customer who, as I said, loves LH, it would be nice if their product topped BA and made them the No 1 quality global airline. Thats my limited point, and yes, its just a wish -- im not grounding it in a business rationale.
Jul 18, 2011, 4:56 pm
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Im sorry, i think you misunderstood me. I meant exactly the opposite i.e. that LH is more cosmopolitan today than in the early 1990s :-) Im not suggesting that absorption of Interflug made it more cosmopolitan, quite the reverse!
I take your point re the economics and I guess they have a nice captive market ion germany so they can afford to stay at the low end of the product , flogging any unsold seats dirt cheap to the likes of me (last month JFK India in J was < USD 3000 on LH and USD 4500+ on LX, BA, EK); as an economist i would agree this makes sense if you can get away with it. As a customer who, as I said, loves LH, it would be nice if their product topped BA and made them the No 1 quality global airline. Thats my limited point, and yes, its just a wish -- im not grounding it in a business rationale.
I take your point re the economics and I guess they have a nice captive market ion germany so they can afford to stay at the low end of the product , flogging any unsold seats dirt cheap to the likes of me (last month JFK India in J was < USD 3000 on LH and USD 4500+ on LX, BA, EK); as an economist i would agree this makes sense if you can get away with it. As a customer who, as I said, loves LH, it would be nice if their product topped BA and made them the No 1 quality global airline. Thats my limited point, and yes, its just a wish -- im not grounding it in a business rationale.
Jul 18, 2011, 6:10 pm
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Hmm. Did not know that, thanks ....it could be an important driver, no?
Jul 19, 2011, 5:58 am
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Jul 19, 2011, 6:13 am
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I assume the LH Y product is OK?
You have to love LH (as I do) to complain, I agree. Its an airline I have flown with from childhood (and Im not German or anything). It captures the romance of air travel for me and I think many others. It used to be cutting edge in product offering. Some of us just feel bad that its now permanently behind the times on hard and even (all too often ) soft product. I WANT to fly LH and still do but much less than I would; all too often, the dictates of logic and value prevail. But it does not have to be this way, no?
You have to love LH (as I do) to complain, I agree. Its an airline I have flown with from childhood (and Im not German or anything). It captures the romance of air travel for me and I think many others. It used to be cutting edge in product offering. Some of us just feel bad that its now permanently behind the times on hard and even (all too often ) soft product. I WANT to fly LH and still do but much less than I would; all too often, the dictates of logic and value prevail. But it does not have to be this way, no?
However, in a comparison to the C product the Y product is nothing. That is why I wanted to stretch that those complaining about the C product should not. It is rather good. After all, LH gets you there at a quite good price and if things messes up, they usually handle that also very well. Furthermore, they have a terrific network and mostly many flights to choose from.
I do love LH.
Jul 19, 2011, 9:17 am
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A great majority of LH crew are still german. LH has never had a point where it decided to be more international and employ other nationalities as cabin crew.
Foreign nationalities have always been welcomed at LH and as Germany became more diverse nation, so did LH.
Jul 19, 2011, 10:03 pm
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interesting how this thread has become and attack and defense of lufthansa