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galaticos Jan 3, 2013 4:28 am


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 19964520)
Oh, by the way, I was doing a MR similar to what A2A and Keyser were doing, and guess what?:

Two Indian pax were waiting at the AirTrain station at EWR, not going anywhere, with Jet tags on their luggage, so I asked them what happened.

They said they came in on Jet, but had a connection with United. However, United cancelled their domestic (US) flights until the next day.

I asked them whether they received a hotel or any other compensation from United, but they replied in the negative.

I told them to go fight for it, but they said that United refused their request.

Didn't have time to assist them as I was pretty bushed and under the weather myself.

Wondering if airlines can refuse to put up pax in hotels if they cancel flights due to weather conditions? Who would be responsible? Jet or United in this case?

EU airlines are the ones that provide hotel incase of weather cancellations.. US carriers are not required by law to offer anything.. sometimes, they do issue distressed passenger coupons for nearby hotels.. but that only gives some discount on the hotel rate..

galaticos Jan 3, 2013 4:29 am


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 19964525)
CX is supposed to be *awesome* now in biz - 2 neighbors on my flights were raving about their service/(new) hard product.

Would recommend banking CX to AAadvantage...

Indeed... was EXP for 6 yrs prior to moving to India last year.. going to try and get it back :)

SuperFlyBoy Jan 3, 2013 4:30 am


Originally Posted by jasepl (Post 19965067)
you may have the Northwest style shell seats for the transatlantic flights (which I don't like either).

That would be on BOM-AMS with the 767 (old seats). DL operates the old NW routes ex-BOM

Not sure I would do the KL biz ex-DEL, but haven't flown them in decades...


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 19965071)
If 9W delivered them to the UA gateway as booked, they have no obligation. If UA cancels due to weather its force majeure as per DOT regs, so no hotel and food provisions are required by law and are at UAs discretion. Usually they offer a distressed pax rate at a nearby hotel (eg 65$/night at the ORD Hyatt for example).

Wow - not nice for them!

SuperFlyBoy Jan 3, 2013 4:31 am


Originally Posted by galaticos (Post 19965084)
Indeed... was EXP for 6 yrs prior to moving to India last year.. going to try and get it back :)

^

jasepl Jan 3, 2013 4:40 am


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 19965086)
That would be on BOM-AMS with the 767 (old seats). DL operates the old NW routes ex-BOM

Not sure I would do the KL biz ex-DEL, but haven't flown them in decades...

Wow - not nice for them!

Oh yeah - DL do BOM-AMS on the 767s and the Northwest 330s, depending on the season.

And I prefer the old Delta cradle seats to the shell seats that NW and KL have by several miles.

I believe Delta have introduced the new herringbone-esque seats on some of the 767s alreasy, but I haven't come across them on any of my flights.

Keyser Jan 3, 2013 4:58 am


Originally Posted by jasepl (Post 19965067)
Do let us know what you think of Delta once you're back. It often seems I'm one of the rare people who think Delta's overall offering in J is pretty solid.

That said, if you're flying out of Delhi, you will be on KLM (which I don't like at all) and you may have the Northwest style shell seats for the transatlantic flights (which I don't like either).

will do....while i'm not a fan of klm, i don't mind their seats....my ams-dtw & ewr-ams segments will be on delta though....

SuperFlyBoy Jan 3, 2013 5:16 am


Originally Posted by jasepl (Post 19965114)
I believe Delta have introduced the new herringbone-esque seats on some of the 767s alreasy, but I haven't come across them on any of my flights.

I have considered DL metal several times, but never saw the herringbone on the BOM sector, so never flew it...better to be safe than sorry! ;)

PVDtoDEL Jan 3, 2013 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 19964628)
Hmm... AI20 is a return of AI21, neither of them International tag ons...

Both AI020 and AI021 are "international" flights.

It's very easy to tell: 3 digit flight numbers beginning with 0, 1, 2, 3 and 9 are international.

Flights beginning with 0 are domestic flights which connect into AI's international flight bank. Flights beginning with 1 go westward (from India), beginning with 2 go to SAARC countries, beginning with 3 go eastward (from India), and beginning with 9 go to the gulf.

A2A Jan 3, 2013 10:35 pm


Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL (Post 19971520)
Both AI020 and AI021 are "international" flights.

It's very easy to tell: 3 digit flight numbers beginning with 0, 1, 2, 3 and 9 are international.

Flights beginning with 0 are domestic flights which connect into AI's international flight bank. Flights beginning with 1 go westward (from India), beginning with 2 go to SAARC countries, beginning with 3 go eastward (from India), and beginning with 9 go to the gulf.

how Easy! NOT!

abhilife2001 Jan 4, 2013 12:01 am


Originally Posted by A2A (Post 19971806)
how Easy! NOT!

+1
Good to know.

So basically it means that domestic connections which feed a intl flight are also flying from intl terminal..hmmm...

jasepl Jan 4, 2013 1:59 am


Originally Posted by abhilife2001 (Post 19972087)
+1
Good to know.

So basically it means that domestic connections which feed a intl flight are also flying from intl terminal..hmmm...

That's one thing - and AI's intentions might be in the right place, but the whole thing can (and does) become one ugly mess. Eg, in the event of a missed connection, when AI are at their glorious worst anyway.

And no, it's not "easy" for most people in this world to remember what a flight number or a combination of numbers indicates. Hell, even AI staff don't seem to know half the time.

And I'll say it again : regardless of airline, we need to have a standardised policy. Doesn't matter if it's the American-style, or the Euro-style, or something else. Just that the current willy-nilly cluster needs to go.

oliver2002 Jan 4, 2013 3:20 am

I'm sure there is a poster some place near the checkin desks highlighting the fact once you made it past the crowds, x-rayed your luggage etc etc only to discover you have to leave the building and walk over to the intl terminal in CCU, which is 300 m away and not exactly has a nice paved surface ;)

AJLondon Jan 4, 2013 3:23 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 19972636)
I'm sure there is a poster some place near the checkin desks highlighting the fact once you made it past the crowds, x-rayed your luggage etc etc only to discover you have to leave the building and walk over to the intl terminal in CCU, which is 300 m away and not exactly has a nice paved surface ;)

But you will get extra rosshogula's and mishti doi if you do make it to that elusive desk in time and in one piece. :D

SpeedFreak Jan 4, 2013 4:11 am


Originally Posted by jasepl (Post 19972432)

Originally Posted by abhilife2001 (Post 19972087)
+1
Good to know.

So basically it means that domestic connections which feed a intl flight are also flying from intl terminal..hmmm...

That's one thing - and AI's intentions might be in the right place, but the whole thing can (and does) become one ugly mess. Eg, in the event of a missed connection, when AI are at their glorious worst anyway.

And no, it's not "easy" for most people in this world to remember what a flight number or a combination of numbers indicates. Hell, even AI staff don't seem to know half the time.

And I'll say it again : regardless of airline, we need to have a standardised policy. Doesn't matter if it's the American-style, or the Euro-style, or something else. Just that the current willy-nilly cluster needs to go.

Hehe you are talking about air India staf and passengers. You will be surprise to know even the ricksha wallas in Bombay know about air India flight numbers. Every evening there is an intl flight from Bom to HYD whih leaves from international terminal. However, the whole gamut of passengers from kids aunties vacationers office crowd and the firangs show up at domestic and are not allowed by Cisf. Then they go to the ticket counter to reconfirm.

And right there are the ricksha wallas in hordes telling pax don't waste time goin to the counter come here i will take you to international terminal it is only 15 min left for you to get there.

This is an everyday occurrence at 7 pm.

jasepl Jan 4, 2013 4:33 am


Originally Posted by SpeedFreak (Post 19972776)
Hehe you are talking about air India staf and passengers. You will be surprise to know even the ricksha wallas in Bombay know about air India flight numbers. Every evening there is an intl flight from Bom to HYD whih leaves from international terminal. However, the whole gamut of passengers from kids aunties vacationers office crowd and the firangs show up at domestic and are not allowed by Cisf. Then they go to the ticket counter to reconfirm.

And right there are the ricksha wallas in hordes telling pax don't waste time goin to the counter come here i will take you to international terminal it is only 15 min left for you to get there.

This is an everyday occurrence at 7 pm.

Stupid people. How dumb do they have to be to not know flights beginning with 2, 5, 6, 7 and 9 are international, flights beginning with 2, 4, 5 and 9 are connectors, flights beginning with 1, 3, 4 and 6 are domestic and flights beginning with 7 don't exist?

Can't blame AI at all here - it's all the passengers' fault, because knowing that is easy as pie and it's something that should come naturally, even more naturally than the ability to walk and talk. ;)

That said, the whole thing is a mess all over the place, not just outside Santa Cruz. As recently as a couple of months ago, I know someone who flew ORD-DEL-BOM and was told to do four different things (clear customs, don't clear customs etc).

And I shudder to think what were to happen if the inbound flight is late and the connection on the connector is missed.


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