Spring 2023 Global promotion - 3k points for 2 nights starting with 2nd stay (ended)
Feb 22, 2023, 8:21 am
#91
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Not sure why you always respond to every point I make about Hyatt with something about Marriott. Frankly, they don't have anything to do with each other. Hyatt should stop over-engineering promotions with rules so convoluted and unclear that they have to make a FAQ with specific scenarios on how they would count stays/nights/cities - that has nothing to do with Marriott.
But, since you brought it up, yes, both Marriott and Hilton have somehow managed to run current promotions that aren't confusing with terms that were easily understood. Hyatt could do the same but chooses not to.
But, since you brought it up, yes, both Marriott and Hilton have somehow managed to run current promotions that aren't confusing with terms that were easily understood. Hyatt could do the same but chooses not to.
By way of comparison, Marriott's 1K points/night (vs. Hyatt's 1.5K/night in essence) means you are getting 3x-3.5x with Hyatt. Marriott giving DEQN will just continue the downward spiral of benefits there unless you spend $23K (which already is money not exactly well spent).
Just bringing some objectivity to the mix here.
Feb 22, 2023, 8:27 am
#92
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I read on a popular travel blog that to qualify for the bonus the stay(s) must be booked directly with Hyatt.
However, I read through the T&C and found no such requirement.
Does anyone see anything corroborating the travel blogger's claim?
Of course, I am asking bc I book my Vegas stays at MGM Rewards site to avoid resort fees (MGM Gold status).
However, I read through the T&C and found no such requirement.
Does anyone see anything corroborating the travel blogger's claim?
Of course, I am asking bc I book my Vegas stays at MGM Rewards site to avoid resort fees (MGM Gold status).
Feb 22, 2023, 8:32 am
#93
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Assuming you have your WOH number on your reservation booked directly with MGM rewards (NOT any kind of OTA), it will qualify for the promotion. If you're lawyer-minded (not that there's anything wrong with being so) and wanted to dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s, give the FD or VIP lounge your Hyatt number before checking in (even if you think they have it, just confirm it) and confirm it again during check out. This way, you'll avoid there, "oh, you have to provide the Hyatt number before checking in" nonsense scripted reply.
Feb 22, 2023, 8:44 am
#94
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This particular FTer would much prefer convoluted and lucrative to simple and unprofitable. Whether it maximizes Hyatt’s revenue or works well for “normal” people doesn’t matter to me at all. “Normal” people pay for many of my vacations through their non-optimal choices, and I like it that way.
Feb 22, 2023, 8:49 am
#95
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"“Ineligible Rates” are all rates other than Eligible Rates and include Free Night Awards (as defined in Appendix B), complimentary nights awarded in connection with Miraval’s Authentic Circle program, rooms booked on third-party online retailers (such as Expedia.com, Travelocity.com, Hotels.com, Booking.com, Priceline.com, Tripadvisor.com, Inspirato.com, home-sharing sites, or any other third-party online/mobile travel portal or bookings made directly on Google.com and TripAdvisor Instant Book), traditional wholesale rates (examples include, without limitation, GOGO Worldwide Vacations, Pleasant Holidays, Tourico, and Hotelbeds), airline crew rates, airline employee rates, travel agency employee rates, media rates, Club at the Hyatt discount stays, Hyatt employee or employee family or friends-and-family discount rates, airline interrupted-trip vouchers, or contracted rooms. "
Feb 22, 2023, 9:26 am
#96
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I read on a popular travel blog that to qualify for the bonus the stay(s) must be booked directly with Hyatt.
However, I read through the T&C and found no such requirement.
Does anyone see anything corroborating the travel blogger's claim?
Of course, I am asking bc I book my Vegas stays at MGM Rewards site to avoid resort fees (MGM Gold status).
However, I read through the T&C and found no such requirement.
Does anyone see anything corroborating the travel blogger's claim?
Of course, I am asking bc I book my Vegas stays at MGM Rewards site to avoid resort fees (MGM Gold status).
Feb 22, 2023, 10:10 am
#97
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Marriott too has done "starting with second stay" promos in the past. Guess what - it's not rocket science. Hyatt is doing a lot of points + bonus points in certain key travel markets.
By way of comparison, Marriott's 1K points/night (vs. Hyatt's 1.5K/night in essence) means you are getting 3x-3.5x with Hyatt. Marriott giving DEQN will just continue the downward spiral of benefits there unless you spend $23K (which already is money not exactly well spent).
Just bringing some objectivity to the mix here.
By way of comparison, Marriott's 1K points/night (vs. Hyatt's 1.5K/night in essence) means you are getting 3x-3.5x with Hyatt. Marriott giving DEQN will just continue the downward spiral of benefits there unless you spend $23K (which already is money not exactly well spent).
Just bringing some objectivity to the mix here.
Again, my point is that Hyatt could do a lot better with "normal" travelers by making promos with fewer gotchas, limitations, and clauses. Just a simple recommendation after observing plenty of "normal" travelers in my personal life - that is all.
Feb 22, 2023, 10:33 am
#98
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I'm going to roll the dice and book an "office for the day" on the 21st, as there are no cheaper stays within fifty miles of here. The extra 7k over my natural earn and the extra EQN is worth the $100 booking, if the EQN and stay credits like I expect.
Feb 22, 2023, 11:23 am
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Feb 22, 2023, 12:33 pm
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You may want to look at the definition of "Eligible Rate" and "Ineligible Rates" in the WoH T&Cs. In particular ...
"“Ineligible Rates” are all rates other than Eligible Rates and include Free Night Awards (as defined in Appendix B), complimentary nights awarded in connection with Miraval’s Authentic Circle program, rooms booked on third-party online retailers (such as Expedia.com, Travelocity.com, Hotels.com, Booking.com, Priceline.com, Tripadvisor.com, Inspirato.com, home-sharing sites, or any other third-party online/mobile travel portal or bookings made directly on Google.com and TripAdvisor Instant Book), traditional wholesale rates (examples include, without limitation, GOGO Worldwide Vacations, Pleasant Holidays, Tourico, and Hotelbeds), airline crew rates, airline employee rates, travel agency employee rates, media rates, Club at the Hyatt discount stays, Hyatt employee or employee family or friends-and-family discount rates, airline interrupted-trip vouchers, or contracted rooms. "
"“Ineligible Rates” are all rates other than Eligible Rates and include Free Night Awards (as defined in Appendix B), complimentary nights awarded in connection with Miraval’s Authentic Circle program, rooms booked on third-party online retailers (such as Expedia.com, Travelocity.com, Hotels.com, Booking.com, Priceline.com, Tripadvisor.com, Inspirato.com, home-sharing sites, or any other third-party online/mobile travel portal or bookings made directly on Google.com and TripAdvisor Instant Book), traditional wholesale rates (examples include, without limitation, GOGO Worldwide Vacations, Pleasant Holidays, Tourico, and Hotelbeds), airline crew rates, airline employee rates, travel agency employee rates, media rates, Club at the Hyatt discount stays, Hyatt employee or employee family or friends-and-family discount rates, airline interrupted-trip vouchers, or contracted rooms. "
Feb 22, 2023, 12:39 pm
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Sure, the nuance can be navigated by those who spend their time online and on FT. I spend most of my waking hours thinking about travel - it's my passion and hobby outside of video games. However, what about all of the other folks who don't read blogs, FT, etc? Those folks travel and spend money, and the point of promotions is to incentivize extra incremental travel spend to go to the offering company, correct?
If I'm a "normal" consumer, I'm either going to see this promotion, move some stays to Hyatt, and then end up pissed off when I don't get 3000 points every two nights (because a first stay is involved) and feel like Hyatt is trying to trick me with gotchas. Same thing for the limited list of cities for the CC part - who is going to memorize those?
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I'm a "normal" consumer who will just choose to ignore this promo because Hilton gives double points and Marriott gives double nights and I don't have the patience to deliberately move stays to Hyatt and constantly be double-checking city lists.
These promos they have been running recently seem like they are engineered to incentivize breakage. FTers might be able to get it, but normal consumers don't care enough. Normal consumers have money to spend - probably way more than someone like me does.
If I'm a "normal" consumer, I'm either going to see this promotion, move some stays to Hyatt, and then end up pissed off when I don't get 3000 points every two nights (because a first stay is involved) and feel like Hyatt is trying to trick me with gotchas. Same thing for the limited list of cities for the CC part - who is going to memorize those?
OR
I'm a "normal" consumer who will just choose to ignore this promo because Hilton gives double points and Marriott gives double nights and I don't have the patience to deliberately move stays to Hyatt and constantly be double-checking city lists.
These promos they have been running recently seem like they are engineered to incentivize breakage. FTers might be able to get it, but normal consumers don't care enough. Normal consumers have money to spend - probably way more than someone like me does.
Feb 22, 2023, 1:02 pm
#102
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"6. What is an Eligible Stay?
For the purpose of this offer, an Eligible Stay is defined as a stay at a participating hotel where a member is paying an Eligible Rate or redeems a Free Night award. ..."
Feb 22, 2023, 1:07 pm
#103
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I hear you on this. I am pretty deep into the game and even I am not always on top of nuances like Hyatt Free Night Awards being “ineligible rates” and can see getting frustrated that a cat 1-4 free night award is inapplicable for hotel rooms going for 3500 Hyatt points but the Cat 1-4 awards are structured for more breakage and thus not applicable on the one hand and, on the other hand, not “eligible rates”.
- Free Night Awards ... may be: (i) available to Members who redeem a specified number of points or (ii) earned by qualifying Members as a benefit in the Program or as a part of a related promotional offer from Hyatt.
Feb 22, 2023, 1:40 pm
#104
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Sure, the nuance can be navigated by those who spend their time online and on FT. I spend most of my waking hours thinking about travel - it's my passion and hobby outside of video games. However, what about all of the other folks who don't read blogs, FT, etc? Those folks travel and spend money, and the point of promotions is to incentivize extra incremental travel spend to go to the offering company, correct?
If I'm a "normal" consumer, I'm either going to see this promotion, move some stays to Hyatt, and then end up pissed off when I don't get 3000 points every two nights (because a first stay is involved) and feel like Hyatt is trying to trick me with gotchas. Same thing for the limited list of cities for the CC part - who is going to memorize those?
OR
I'm a "normal" consumer who will just choose to ignore this promo because Hilton gives double points and Marriott gives double nights and I don't have the patience to deliberately move stays to Hyatt and constantly be double-checking city lists.
These promos they have been running recently seem like they are engineered to incentivize breakage. FTers might be able to get it, but normal consumers don't care enough. Normal consumers have money to spend - probably way more than someone like me does.
If I'm a "normal" consumer, I'm either going to see this promotion, move some stays to Hyatt, and then end up pissed off when I don't get 3000 points every two nights (because a first stay is involved) and feel like Hyatt is trying to trick me with gotchas. Same thing for the limited list of cities for the CC part - who is going to memorize those?
OR
I'm a "normal" consumer who will just choose to ignore this promo because Hilton gives double points and Marriott gives double nights and I don't have the patience to deliberately move stays to Hyatt and constantly be double-checking city lists.
These promos they have been running recently seem like they are engineered to incentivize breakage. FTers might be able to get it, but normal consumers don't care enough. Normal consumers have money to spend - probably way more than someone like me does.
From https://news.marriott.com/news/2022/...obal-promotion
Registration starts September 7, 2022, for the promotion and runs until December 1, 2022, enabling registered members to earn 2,000 bonus points on each eligible stay starting with the second stay, between September 21, 2022, and December 15, 2022. There is no limit to the number of bonus points members can earn, creating a virtuous circle that means the more they travel, the more points they bank for their next trip of a lifetime.
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The offer is even more enticing for Marriott Bonvoy® Credit Card holders, who can earn an additional 2,000 bonus points per stay at different hotel brands, starting with their second brand during the promotion earning period. This means Card holders could earn up to 4,000 bonus points on an individual stay, with no maximum limits, while exploring the unrivaled depth and breadth of the Marriott Bonvoy brand portfolio. From a stay at a Courtyard by Marriott while on a cross-country road trip, to a stay at EDITION for an immersive experience in a bustling metropolis, or to a relaxing stay at The Ritz-Carlton in a tropical oasis.
Feb 22, 2023, 3:12 pm
#105
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Well... looks like the current Hyatt promotion has borrowed their tricks from the 4Q 2022 Marriott promotion (although Marriott gave points per stay, Hyatt gives points per two nights).
From https://news.marriott.com/news/2022/...obal-promotion
From https://news.marriott.com/news/2022/...obal-promotion
Registration starts September 7, 2022, for the promotion and runs until December 1, 2022, enabling registered members to earn 2,000 bonus points on each eligible stay starting with the second stay, between September 21, 2022, and December 15, 2022. There is no limit to the number of bonus points members can earn, creating a virtuous circle that means the more they travel, the more points they bank for their next trip of a lifetime.
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The offer is even more enticing for Marriott Bonvoy® Credit Card holders, who can earn an additional 2,000 bonus points per stay at different hotel brands, starting with their second brand during the promotion earning period. This means Card holders could earn up to 4,000 bonus points on an individual stay, with no maximum limits, while exploring the unrivaled depth and breadth of the Marriott Bonvoy brand portfolio. From a stay at a Courtyard by Marriott while on a cross-country road trip, to a stay at EDITION for an immersive experience in a bustling metropolis, or to a relaxing stay at The Ritz-Carlton in a tropical oasis.