Aug 29, 2022, 7:32 am
Last edit by: VilBur
HEL-DOH AY1981 16:00-23:45 333 16DEC22-
DOH-HEL AY1982 08:00-14:15 333 17DEC22-
ARN-DOH AY1983 15:10-23:50 333 01NOV22-
DOH-ARN AY1984 08:10-13:25 333 02NOV22-
CPH-DOH AY1985 15:15-23:30 333 01NOV22-
DOH-CPH AY1986 08:15-13:10 333 02NOV22-
Flights are considered long-haul (AY+ awards & accrual as well as complimentary meals in all classes of travel).
AY and QR both have set quotas and specifically allocated seats on board. At least on the ARN service, the AY quota in J is 7 seats (1L, 2DHL, 3DHL) and the Y quota is 61 seats (3136 DEGHJL, 59JL, 6163DEGHJL.
The PE cabin is not sold by either airline. The PE seats belong to the QR quota and can be assigned to QR Y pax at no extra charge.
Transferring at DOH, you will have access to the following lounges when departing on AY or QR, in descending order:
1. Al Safwa, for QR customers ticketed in F. Close to the bear
2. Al Mourjan lounges, for AY & QR customers ticketed in J (J Light not eligible). Al Mourjan South is close to the bear (escalator up right next to the escalator coming down from transfer security). Al Mourjan North (Al Mourjan Garden) entrance is located between the northern stop of the intra-terminal train and The Orchard. Al Mourjan North lounge is twice as big as Al Mourjan South and has views over The Orchard.
3. Qatar Airways Platinum & Gold Lounge North, for Golds, Platinums and Lumos regardless of class of travel. This lounge is a shared Platinum & Gold lounge. Entrance near gate C14
4. Qatar Airways Platinum Lounge South, for Platinums and Lumos regardless of class of travel. At gate A1.
5. Qatar Airways Gold Lounge South, for Golds, Platinums and Lumos regardless of class of travel. At gate A1 (shared entrance with the Platinum Lounge South)
All lounges operate 24/7.
DOH-HEL AY1982 08:00-14:15 333 17DEC22-
ARN-DOH AY1983 15:10-23:50 333 01NOV22-
DOH-ARN AY1984 08:10-13:25 333 02NOV22-
CPH-DOH AY1985 15:15-23:30 333 01NOV22-
DOH-CPH AY1986 08:15-13:10 333 02NOV22-
Flights are considered long-haul (AY+ awards & accrual as well as complimentary meals in all classes of travel).
AY and QR both have set quotas and specifically allocated seats on board. At least on the ARN service, the AY quota in J is 7 seats (1L, 2DHL, 3DHL) and the Y quota is 61 seats (3136 DEGHJL, 59JL, 6163DEGHJL.
The PE cabin is not sold by either airline. The PE seats belong to the QR quota and can be assigned to QR Y pax at no extra charge.
Transferring at DOH, you will have access to the following lounges when departing on AY or QR, in descending order:
1. Al Safwa, for QR customers ticketed in F. Close to the bear
2. Al Mourjan lounges, for AY & QR customers ticketed in J (J Light not eligible). Al Mourjan South is close to the bear (escalator up right next to the escalator coming down from transfer security). Al Mourjan North (Al Mourjan Garden) entrance is located between the northern stop of the intra-terminal train and The Orchard. Al Mourjan North lounge is twice as big as Al Mourjan South and has views over The Orchard.
3. Qatar Airways Platinum & Gold Lounge North, for Golds, Platinums and Lumos regardless of class of travel. This lounge is a shared Platinum & Gold lounge. Entrance near gate C14
4. Qatar Airways Platinum Lounge South, for Platinums and Lumos regardless of class of travel. At gate A1.
5. Qatar Airways Gold Lounge South, for Golds, Platinums and Lumos regardless of class of travel. At gate A1 (shared entrance with the Platinum Lounge South)
All lounges operate 24/7.
Finnair to launch service to Doha (DOH) ex-HEL, ARN, CPH
Jan 7, 2023, 8:32 am
#166
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: HEL
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Jan 8, 2023, 5:18 am
#169
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Programs: AY+ Plat, TK *A Gold
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My partner actually preferred the new AY J compared to the non-QSuite QR A350 J and I kind of agree. The service was more personal with AY and the cabin more calm & the seat more private. Food quality and selection was better with QR. Personally I found the QR seat to be more comfortable but indeed the cabin vibe (noice, privacy, poor service) felt more like Y than J. Not really impressed. Ive flown QR J only once many years ago and this flight felt like night & day to that.
Jan 9, 2023, 2:21 am
#170
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
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AY is probably happy to be operating their aircraft to some destination right now... if these deals with the devil (QR to DOH, LH/4Y to US/CA) wouldn't have happened they would be in deep paska.
Jan 9, 2023, 7:31 am
#171
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Programs: Finnair (AY) Platinum, Air France Silver, Tallink Club One Silver :)
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Almost certainly wont. AY is rather strict on through checking bags and only does it when both tickets are AY tickets and connection meets MCT. Tickets issued by other airlines, regardless, if oneworld or not, will "not qualify" for through checking.
Jan 9, 2023, 8:40 am
#172
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Not liking but..
Jan 9, 2023, 9:24 am
#173
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Better rely on QR tickets only, when flying to that direction, especially if planning to continue further. QR also respects separate QR bookings, which are necessary if using AY points - HEL-DOH-HEL and DOH-XXX-DOH to be booked separately and the EU segments cost much more than most other segments. And will take care of the missed connections well. In DOH there is an ok airside hotel (Oryx) available, but quite often fully booked, for irrops or planned plane changes with long layover.
Jan 9, 2023, 10:16 am
#175
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat, LH Sen
Posts: 968
The A330 lacks the range for the longer routings, so AY might still have some of them sitting idle without the QR deal. But yes, we'll probably see the Eurowings Discover wet leases end once there will be more demand for China and Japan.
Jan 10, 2023, 7:42 am
#176
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Nope the 4Y/LH wet lease will probably continue with A330. The mission profile of the A330 fits all those routes too. The deal started with A359 because that was what AY had ready to go.
Jan 10, 2023, 9:43 am
#177
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat, LH Sen
Posts: 968
Probably yes, if the 4Y wet leases are more profitable than AY's own routes to 2nd tier US cities from HEL. If that's the case, AY can cut some of the US routes when they need more planes for increasing demand in Asia.
Jan 11, 2023, 4:55 pm
#178
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: HEL
Programs: SPG LTP, hotels, OWE, STE+, *G, Octopus
Posts: 5,804
I find the implementation of the QR/AY collaboration bizarre. Not only do the carriers have their own capacity, but also pre assigned seats - e.g on a ticket Im holding AY marketed can only select 1L, rows 2 and 3 D H L whereas QR retains retains all other seats - 1ADH, A in row 2 and 3 and all seats from row 4 and up.
Probably because of this, Seat selection cannot be done for AY marketed flight number on QR site..
Probably because of this, Seat selection cannot be done for AY marketed flight number on QR site..
Jan 11, 2023, 4:59 pm
#179
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Europe
Posts: 1,547
I find the implementation of the QR/AY collaboration bizarre. Not only do the carriers have their own capacity, but also pre assigned seats - e.g on a ticket Im holding AY marketed can only select 1L, rows 2 and 3 D H L whereas QR retains retains all other seats - 1ADH, A in row 2 and 3 and all seats from row 4 and up.
Probably because of this, Seat selection cannot be done for AY marketed flight number on QR site..
Probably because of this, Seat selection cannot be done for AY marketed flight number on QR site..
Jan 11, 2023, 5:07 pm
#180
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