Finnair/AY award/redemption booking/ticket thread
#196
Join Date: Jun 2015
Programs: AY+, SK EB
Posts: 2,962
Moi! I'm a longtime AY flyer but looking to redeem points for the first time for a YYZ-(USA)-HEL-TLL trip. Looking to use points and upgrade vouchers in the most cost-effective way for longhaul J. Some questions:
1. Have I understood correctly that if I see both Y and J award availability in the AY booking search, I can (1) book the flights for Y points (I.e., 45k one-way from North America) and (2) instantly confirm upgrade to J by applying a voucher over the phone?
1. Have I understood correctly that if I see both Y and J award availability in the AY booking search, I can (1) book the flights for Y points (I.e., 45k one-way from North America) and (2) instantly confirm upgrade to J by applying a voucher over the phone?
2. Can the above be combined with a "Two-for-one Classic award"? This would mean using 4 shorthaul upgrade vouchers to be able to book two USA-HEL Y one-way tickets for 45k points and then (assuming J award availability) instantly upgrading to J with upgrade vouchers.
3. The points amounts listed in the AY award redemption chart would only cover my USA-HEL-TLL flights, so getting to ORD/JFK/DFW/MIA/LAX on an AY award ticket would mean additional points based on the partner chart (I.e., 27k points one-way for YYZ-USA), right? Since YYZ-USA flights don't seem to appear on AY booking search at all, I should be able to access them by calling AY, correct?
4. Can the "two-for-one Classic award" be combined onto the same booking with an AA connecting flight?
#197
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: YYZ
Programs: AY, AC, OV
Posts: 39
Thanks! Sorry for the confusion. I’m referring to the 4 SH vouchers here because the AY Plat benefits description says the following:
European Flights*: You’ll get four one-way travel class upgrades, which you can use on any Finnair scheduled flights within Europe. If you wish, you can exchange the upgrades (all four of them) for a one-way intercontinental upgrade or a two-for-the-price-of-one Classic award flights in Economy Class. With this you can purchase award flights for two people from the Finnair Plus service centre but pay the point cost of an award flight for one person. Two-for-one Classic awards are only available for scheduled one-way and return flights operated by Finnair or Norra and must be purchased using points only.
Ah, so for, e.g., YYZ-ORD-HEL (AA connector with AY long haul), I would pay the AA partner booking amount for a Europe–North America award (78,000 AY pts one-way in Y)? Quite the additional fee for a connector flight, so might have to think of using cash or AA points for that.
#198
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: YYZ
Programs: AY, AC, OV
Posts: 39
Two more questions:
1. What other OW carrier booking search engines should show the same or similar award availability for partners as AY has? E.g., should I be able to book the same AA award space I see on BA with AY?
2. Is it possible to string together AY award segments that only show up separately in booking search? E.g., Many dates have both USA-HEL and HEL-TLL available for awards separately, both they won't show up on the same USA-HEL-TLL booking. Is this some IT quirk that can be overcome over the phone or are there married segments involved and adding segments that only show up separately incurrs additional AY points?
1. What other OW carrier booking search engines should show the same or similar award availability for partners as AY has? E.g., should I be able to book the same AA award space I see on BA with AY?
2. Is it possible to string together AY award segments that only show up separately in booking search? E.g., Many dates have both USA-HEL and HEL-TLL available for awards separately, both they won't show up on the same USA-HEL-TLL booking. Is this some IT quirk that can be overcome over the phone or are there married segments involved and adding segments that only show up separately incurrs additional AY points?
#199
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,183
Any experience in booking an oneway award, and at a later point alter that award to a return and pay according to the return points table?
#200
Join Date: May 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat (OWE), SK EBG (*A Gold), KQ Plat (STE+), Accor Plat
Posts: 3,157
Unless you’re referring to something else than AY?
#201
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,183
True, I was thinking about a partner-award, ie using ay+ points for ow-partners and finnair flights. In those cases, o/w is not 50% of return, in my case it is 60%.
#202
Original Poster
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,607
(went then to select seats and so far no other seats were taken 😁?😁 despite this flight being IVL during easter
#203
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,183
A waitlisting would indeed take care of a situation where economy award exists but not business awards. So it is a good tip for that. But I assume waitlisting is only available for a pure AY award? Or can they waitlist on partners too?
Another scenario is where you simply don't have enough points for a return but anticipate to have them in a future.
Yet another scenario is when the return is beyond the schedule, ie T+360 days, so no awards are yet bookable for the return.
It is in these cases I was thinking if it is possible to start with a o/w, and then monitor availability / wait for points to be earned and alter the award to return as soon as possible.
Another scenario is where you simply don't have enough points for a return but anticipate to have them in a future.
Yet another scenario is when the return is beyond the schedule, ie T+360 days, so no awards are yet bookable for the return.
It is in these cases I was thinking if it is possible to start with a o/w, and then monitor availability / wait for points to be earned and alter the award to return as soon as possible.
#204
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Sweden
Programs: AY+ Platinum
Posts: 26
Martinlu was asking earlier in thread about "class 2-4-1 award" and possibility to book oneway trip from US to Europe.
"European flights*You’ll get four one-way travel class upgrades, which you can use on any Finnair scheduled flights within Europe. If you wish, you can exchange the upgrades (all four of them) for a one-way intercontinental upgrade or a two-for-the-price-of-one Classic award flights in Economy Class. With this you can purchase award flights for two people from the Finnair Plus service centre but pay the point cost of an award flight for one person. Two-for-one Classic awards are only available for scheduled one-way and return flights operated by Finnair or Norra and must be purchased using points only."
Does this mean that this 2-4-1 award ticket can be actually used to book round-trip from Europe to US? I have always thought that this 2-4-1 ticket would be only for intra-Europe flights.
"European flights*You’ll get four one-way travel class upgrades, which you can use on any Finnair scheduled flights within Europe. If you wish, you can exchange the upgrades (all four of them) for a one-way intercontinental upgrade or a two-for-the-price-of-one Classic award flights in Economy Class. With this you can purchase award flights for two people from the Finnair Plus service centre but pay the point cost of an award flight for one person. Two-for-one Classic awards are only available for scheduled one-way and return flights operated by Finnair or Norra and must be purchased using points only."
Does this mean that this 2-4-1 award ticket can be actually used to book round-trip from Europe to US? I have always thought that this 2-4-1 ticket would be only for intra-Europe flights.
#205
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: C2
Posts: 651
#206
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Finland
Programs: BA gold, OWE
Posts: 373
Just booked HEL-ARN economy redemption using BA Avios, seems that the X bucket / Partner award no longer has luggage allowance, is this something new? Does Finnair issued X-ticket still have 1PC?
#207
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: HEL
Programs: SPG LTP, hotels, OWE, STE+, *G, Octopus
Posts: 5,790
#208
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Platinum, TK Elite, BT VIP, AA, BA, SK, DL, NT, WB + hotels
Posts: 8,758
I flew today HEL-AGP in X. Booked two weeks ago using points from a Silver member. My App showed 2 pc, which should be 1 pc for X class and 1 pc for Plat.
#210
Join Date: May 2015
Location: ATL/MCO
Programs: Costco Executive, RaceTrac Sultan of Soda, Chick-fil-A Red
Posts: 5,665