Delta's $98 response: detained by the DHS/FBI on a DL MR
Aug 19, 2007, 1:11 pm
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please don't get this thread locked as well. the reason the OP had to start it was that the last one got locked. i'm just hoping for an update.
Aug 19, 2007, 1:28 pm
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seems to me like the bottom line looks something like this:
1) was delta responsible for getting the passenger pulled from the flight in the first place? if so, for what reason? how is a person who flies circuitously "suspicious" in the sense that it would require involving the federal government? or was this done to harrass someone who was engaging in behavior that the company did not like?
2) regardless of 1, did, in fact, a representative for delta promise to take care of reaccommodating the passenger?
3) regardless of 1 and 2, lawyers, what about the taking involved here? if government agent can approach someone as they literally board an aircraft and effectively cause them to lose their property without warrant, without reasonable suspicion, etc., is there a potentialclaim against the u.s. government?
1) was delta responsible for getting the passenger pulled from the flight in the first place? if so, for what reason? how is a person who flies circuitously "suspicious" in the sense that it would require involving the federal government? or was this done to harrass someone who was engaging in behavior that the company did not like?
2) regardless of 1, did, in fact, a representative for delta promise to take care of reaccommodating the passenger?
3) regardless of 1 and 2, lawyers, what about the taking involved here? if government agent can approach someone as they literally board an aircraft and effectively cause them to lose their property without warrant, without reasonable suspicion, etc., is there a potentialclaim against the u.s. government?
Aug 19, 2007, 5:05 pm
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seems to me like the bottom line looks something like this:
1) was delta responsible for getting the passenger pulled from the flight in the first place? if so, for what reason? how is a person who flies circuitously "suspicious" in the sense that it would require involving the federal government? or was this done to harrass someone who was engaging in behavior that the company did not like?
2) regardless of 1, did, in fact, a representative for delta promise to take care of reaccommodating the passenger?
3) regardless of 1 and 2, lawyers, what about the taking involved here? if government agent can approach someone as they literally board an aircraft and effectively cause them to lose their property without warrant, without reasonable suspicion, etc., is there a potentialclaim against the u.s. government?
1) was delta responsible for getting the passenger pulled from the flight in the first place? if so, for what reason? how is a person who flies circuitously "suspicious" in the sense that it would require involving the federal government? or was this done to harrass someone who was engaging in behavior that the company did not like?
2) regardless of 1, did, in fact, a representative for delta promise to take care of reaccommodating the passenger?
3) regardless of 1 and 2, lawyers, what about the taking involved here? if government agent can approach someone as they literally board an aircraft and effectively cause them to lose their property without warrant, without reasonable suspicion, etc., is there a potentialclaim against the u.s. government?
Aug 19, 2007, 5:06 pm
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Aug 19, 2007, 5:09 pm
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Aug 19, 2007, 5:59 pm
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I'm just saying everyone is SO QUICK to blame "Big Brother" (In this case big brother is Delta) because you don't know the whole story. Sure maybe DL should have flown him home, but were they obligated? NO - he missed his flight.
Aug 19, 2007, 6:00 pm
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I think jfulcher is missing a comma. If you read what s/he said as:
it becomes more reasonable. In other words s/he is trying to compare those accusing Delta of some secret conspiracy to deny the OP his/her mileage run to those who try to accuse the US government of some secret conspiracy to cause the incidents of terrorism that occurred in the US on 11 September 2001.
I'm sure jfulcher wasn't attempting to associate the OP or Delta airlines with the incidents of terrorism that occurred in the US on 11 September 2001.
it becomes more reasonable. In other words s/he is trying to compare those accusing Delta of some secret conspiracy to deny the OP his/her mileage run to those who try to accuse the US government of some secret conspiracy to cause the incidents of terrorism that occurred in the US on 11 September 2001.
I'm sure jfulcher wasn't attempting to associate the OP or Delta airlines with the incidents of terrorism that occurred in the US on 11 September 2001.
Aug 19, 2007, 6:02 pm
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According to the OP both the Feds and the GA of DL told him he would be reaccommadated and taken care of.
Well to me a GA is an offical DL rep, now if the OP was able to get them to put such a note onto his record I dont know, otherwise it could be a He Said/She Said deal.
I guess you feel that if Youre booted out of a Full Fare 1st Class seat by an FAM, that DL doesnt owe you any refund, after all the Feds forced them to boot you since you were the one sitting in the seat they sit in. So DL should refuse to refund you any of the $$ you spent for that 1st class seat and having to fly in Coach, while if you want a refund it should be only by suing the Govt for the difference in $$.
Something tells me you wouldnt be agreeing to that so quickly
Well to me a GA is an offical DL rep, now if the OP was able to get them to put such a note onto his record I dont know, otherwise it could be a He Said/She Said deal.
I guess you feel that if Youre booted out of a Full Fare 1st Class seat by an FAM, that DL doesnt owe you any refund, after all the Feds forced them to boot you since you were the one sitting in the seat they sit in. So DL should refuse to refund you any of the $$ you spent for that 1st class seat and having to fly in Coach, while if you want a refund it should be only by suing the Govt for the difference in $$.
Something tells me you wouldnt be agreeing to that so quickly
