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-   -   Is this flight oversold? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/60461-flight-oversold.html)

HongKonger Oct 15, 2013 2:43 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smyrnaflyer (Post 21604658)
In my experience, it's the other way around. Sometimes married segments will have less availability than the individual segments. Also, whether "oversold" or "overbooked" mean the same thing or not, in my experience the GA distinguish between the two, and "oversold" means what everyone else says, there are more people checked in than there are seats. That, of course, can change if some of the checked in people don't show up or miss connections.
Yes--married segment logic can work either way depending on revenue management. Some married segments will have less availability. In my experience, once flights are relatively full DL will often refuse to sell HKG-NRT, or sell it only at a much higher fare bucket, than it will HKG-USA via NRT. But there are plenty of counterexamples especially for routes involving a hub where there is the opportunity for hub captive pricing.

injera Oct 15, 2013 5:08 am
So is this an example of a 'married segment'?

On ef, when I search JFK to MSY via ATL the ATL to MSY leg shows
F2 P2 A2 G0 Y0 B0 M0 S0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 X0 V0 E0

When I search NYC to MSY I see an option for EWR->ATL->MSY and on this the ATL->MSY leg shows
F0 P0 A0 G0 Y0 B0 M0 S0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 X0 V0 E0

Would this mean they're holding some seats for (presumably) people arriving JFK from overseas in the midafternoon and heading to New Orleans?? Interesting to see how this changes.

777Pax Oct 15, 2013 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by dEagleS (Post 21608938)
The fact that a booking requires a ticket to be issued (within a fairly short amount of time after booking), and hence requires some form of payment, when more tickets are issued for a particular flight it becomes oversold. Booking and ticketing (selling) are very specific terms.

o·ver·sell
ˌōvərˈsel/
verb
past tense: oversold; past participle: oversold
1.
sell more of (something) than exists or can be delivered.
"a surge in airlines overselling flights"

Whether or not the airline has to take action depends on many factors, including finally whether all passengers are checked-in, and at the gate at the prescribed time. If at that time #People > #Seats, VDB, or in the worst case, IDB is used.
There are still many fares that do not require ticketing. Almost all refundable fares, corporate fares and government fares which account for a significant amount of airline passenger traffic.

dEagleS Oct 15, 2013 8:30 pm
I don't know much about government fares, but you can book a refundable fare without ticketing it for an extended period of time? You would then pay the prevailing ticket cost at the time the booking is converted to a ticket? (although, refundable fares are usually quite expensive, anyway.)

MSPeconomist Oct 16, 2013 3:58 am
Generally yes. Prices aren't guaranteed until ticketing takes place, but your reservation does hold space for you. Some fare rules require quick ticketing, others don't.

ScrodmanFL Feb 20, 2014 7:44 pm
Is this oversold?
 
Ok...I'm trying to figure out if my last leg tomorrow (1384 ATL-MCO) is (or will likely be) oversold.

According to Flightstats (I don't have an EF subscription):
Y/7 B/2 M/0 S/0 H/0 Q/0 K/0 L/0 U/0 T/0 X/0 V/0 E/0

According to Book a Flight on dl.com:
Economy (B)
$426.00
2 tickets left at this price

According to the seat map on dl.com:
Nothing available. No seats show open at all.

I was prompted for VDB upon OLCI and I did that. Just curious to see if that's a probability vs. a possibility. :)

mbwmbw Feb 20, 2014 8:06 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by havnfn (Post 22387892)
Ok...I'm trying to figure out if my last leg tomorrow (1384 ATL-MCO) is (or will likely be) oversold.

According to Flightstats (I don't have an EF subscription):
Y/7 B/2 M/0 S/0 H/0 Q/0 K/0 L/0 U/0 T/0 X/0 V/0 E/0

According to Book a Flight on dl.com:
Economy (B)
$426.00
2 tickets left at this price

According to the seat map on dl.com:
Nothing available. No seats show open at all.

I was prompted for VDB upon OLCI and I did that. Just curious to see if that's a probability vs. a possibility.
... No. Not likely. Oversold flights will typically have F0 Y0 and won't be willing to sell any tickets in Y or F. Even then inventories and loads change all the time. An oversold flight can go to 20 open seats in seconds and vice versa. Seat maps are a very bad indication of a flight being oversold especially if you can't look at the blocked seats.

ScrodmanFL Feb 20, 2014 9:20 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbwmbw (Post 22387993)
... No. Not likely. Oversold flights will typically have F0 Y0 and won't be willing to sell any tickets in Y or F. Even then inventories and loads change all the time. An oversold flight can go to 20 open seats in seconds and vice versa. Seat maps are a very bad indication of a flight being oversold especially if you can't look at the blocked seats.
When do blocked seats clear? I thought it was T-24hrs? That leg is now T-18hrs

jacobac00 Feb 20, 2014 9:36 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by havnfn (Post 22387892)
Ok...I'm trying to figure out if my last leg tomorrow (1384 ATL-MCO) is (or will likely be) oversold.

According to Flightstats (I don't have an EF subscription):
Y/7 B/2 M/0 S/0 H/0 Q/0 K/0 L/0 U/0 T/0 X/0 V/0 E/0

According to Book a Flight on dl.com:
Economy (B)
$426.00
2 tickets left at this price

According to the seat map on dl.com:
Nothing available. No seats show open at all.

I was prompted for VDB upon OLCI and I did that. Just curious to see if that's a probability vs. a possibility. :)
The fact that it is still Y7 means you have a very low chance of VDB. Granted, that is as-of the time you pulled those stats. I have been #1 on the VDB list with F+4 and Y+9 at the gate and them not needing me. In other words, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Put in the $400 max and hope for the best.

jrkmsp Feb 20, 2014 9:57 pm
The last two rows of most every flight are blocked and only can be opened up by DL staff, usually at the airport.

javabytes Feb 20, 2014 10:05 pm
9 seats blocked... all of row 45 (the last row), 44A and 44F, and 23D.

davetravels Feb 20, 2014 10:16 pm
Currently:

DL 1384 ATL
02/21/14 5:10 PM MCO
02/21/14 6:36 PM 757
Daily
50% / 67m F1 P1 A1 G0 Y7 B2 M0 S0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 X0 V0 E0

So, it's also F1.

Check it again 2 or 3 hours before flight time, and you'll get a slightly better idea of how it looks.

I took a VDB once, on a flight that was Y3. I was really surprised they were oversold, but, the RedCoat told me that they had a VERY last minute need to get 7 FAs pos space from JFK to MSP. I told her they were still selling seats. She said, she knew! What could she do!
:)

orr333 Feb 20, 2014 10:25 pm
I just looked now and it is still offering 3 seats in Y. What I have also found is that to a massive hub such as ATL where there are several flights within 3 hours (every hour to be precise) and all are showing seats available, enough business travelers shuffle around that the later flights rarely end up being oversold. I'd be money that 1384 leaves with seats open.

davetravels Feb 20, 2014 10:41 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by orr333 (Post 22388548)
I just looked now and it is still offering 3 seats in Y.
EF currently shows F1 Y6.

ScrodmanFL Feb 21, 2014 4:32 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 22388476)
9 seats blocked... all of row 45 (the last row), 44A and 44F, and 23D.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrkmsp (Post 22388449)
The last two rows of most every flight are blocked and only can be opened up by DL staff, usually at the airport.
Ahh...thanks for those bits of info.


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