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Old Feb 1, 2022, 2:03 pm
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Click below to display this full wiki and read if you have general questions about using GUCs -- they may be answered here!
NOTE: Both GUC and RUC rules are listed below because the way GUCs work on domestic routes is now different than how RUCs work

New Fare Table for GUC/RUC Effective 2/1/2022


*****GUC*****

Flight has First Class
MC/C+ = Purchased
First = Last Seat J (Old Policy = OY)

Flight has DPS only
MC/C+ = Purchased
DPS = Last Seat (GUC=P / RUC=G) (Old Policy = RY)

Flight has D1 with no DPS
MC/C+ = Purchased
D1 = Z (Old Policy = OY)

Flight has D1 with DPS
MC/C+ = Purchased
DPS = Last Seat (GUC=P / RUC=G) (Old Policy = RY)
D1 = OY @ T-24h15m

Flight has D1 with DPS
DPS = Purchased
D1 = Z (Old Policy = OY)

Note: If GUC applied to domestic flight, it has better inventory than RUC (better chance for D1 transcon or to Hawaii)

*****RUC*****

Flight has First Class
MC/C+ = Purchased
First = Z (Old Policy = OY)

Flight has D1 with no DPS
MC/C+ = Purchased
D1 = OY (no change in old policy = OY)

Delta is using public inventory buckets J Z P G (and non-public bucket OY in some cases) to determine GUC/RUC availability. However once they have confirmed you the system converts the segment in your reservation to a different bucket. Here is the class mapping:

GUC Usage
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to DPS / P class needed / Books into RV (Clears at T-24.15 into D1 as OX if OY available)
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to D1 (no DPS) / Z class needed / Books into OK
DPS purchased / Upgrade to D1 / Z class needed / Books into OK
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to FC (no D1/DPS) / J class needed / Books into OV

RUC Usage
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to DPS / G class needed / Books into RX (Clears at T-24.15 into D1 as OX if OY available) ****THIS AIRCRAFT CONFIG MAKES NO SENSE DPS IS NOT SOLD ON RUC ROUTES, MAYBE THIS IS FOR FUTURE PLANS?****
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to D1 (no DPS) / OY class needed / Books into OX
DPS purchased / Upgrade to D1 / OY class needed / Books into OX ****THIS AIRCRAFT CONFIG MAKES NO SENSE DPS IS NOT SOLD ON RUC ROUTES, MAYBE THIS IS FOR FUTURE PLANS?****
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to FC (no D1/DPS) / Z class needed / Books into OL

New Delta.com Upgrade Availability Indicators that appeared 2/1/22 and what they mean

***The GUC/RUC indicators are still based on married segment logic as of 10/2022. You likely will need to look up desired flights individually to see correct upgrade indicator. Also, indicators currently ONLY work for DL coded/ DL operated flights. You still need to use an external tool like Expert Flyer to find space on AF/KL/VS/KE.


Dom D1 Tag meaning:
Global Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in Z (OY = 0 for RUC)
Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in Z /or/ RUC in OY both available

Dom F Tag meaning:
Global Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in Last Seat J (Z = 0 for RUC)
Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in last seat J /or/ RUC in Z both available

Example D1 Flights from JFK - LAX (flight numbers are fictitious)

DL 01
Dom D1 flight
Actual Availability: J5 C4 D4 Z3
Hidden Availability: OY2
Website indicator: Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (2 RUC (OY) open, 3 GUC (Z) open)

DL 02
Dom D1 flight
Actual Availability: J5 C4 D4 Z3
Hidden Availability: OY0
Website indicator: Global Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (0 RUC (OY) open, 3 GUC (Z) open)

DL 03
Dom D1 flight
Actual Availability: J3 C2 D2 Z0
Hidden Availability: OY0
Website indicator: No flag - neither is available GUC (Z0) and RUC (OY0)

DL 04
Dom First flight
Actual Availability: J3 C2 D2 Z1
Hidden Availability: n/a
Website indicator: Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (1 RUC (Z) open, 3 GUC (J) open)

DL 05
Dom First flight
Actual Availability: J3 C2 D2 Z0
Hidden Availability: n/a
Website indicator: Global Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (0 RUC (Z) open, 3 GUC (J) open)

DL 06
Dom First flight
Actual Availability: J0 C0 D0 Z0
Hidden Availability: n/a
Website indicator: No flag - neither is available
Actual decode: (0 RUC (Z) open, 0 GUC (J) open)

Other Upgrade Rules (post 01 Feb 2022)

Using GUCs to upgrade companions:
  • "There is no limit to the number of travel companions you can upgrade with an Upgrade Certificate — even if you don’t need to use one for yourself.* In order to upgrade your companions, they must be flying in the same reservation or a linked reservation and each companion will require their own Certificate to be upgraded."
  • *but if you are using an AMEX Companion Cert then you must use GUCs for both passengers or none (must travel in same cabin)

Using Delta Global Upgrades

DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles...llion-upgrades
scroll down to "Upgrade Certificates" and start reading there. Other primary sections of interest may be "Where to Use Upgrade Certificates" and "How the Upgrade Certificates Waitlist Works", or scroll to the bottom to expand the full T&C (also the pre-2022 historical terms are still available as well)

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Starting with the 2022 Medallion year, upgrade certificates now expire at the end of the Medallion year they are associated with, i.e. for MQ*s accumulated in 2022, to qualify for 2023 status, any certificates selected with 2023 Choice Benefits expire Jan 31, 2024 regardless of when you select them. (Historically, certs expired a year after the date on which you selected them but this is no longer the case). So if you are confident you will be using GUCs (or RUCs for that matter) there is no longer much reason to wait to select them -- the only real reason to wait is that if you reach the end of the year without having needed to select certificates, you would still be able to choose something else like SkyMiles as a Choice Benefit.
  • Certificates usually appear in your account within 24 hours of selection (and in most cases far sooner than that, within a small number of hours). If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You do not need to select all three DM benefits at the same time, nor do you need to select your PM benefit before your DM benefits
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.
Finding upgrade space
  • If you book a main cabin ticket, GUCs may now only be used to clear in advance into Premium Select; you can still use a single GUC to upgrade from main to PS, then waitlist for D1, but in this case you will not clear any earlier than T-24h. Note: in most cases gate agents in other countries may not know how or be willing to clear the day-of-travel upgrade list, in which case you are relying on space to open up before the gate takes control and being able to call in to get a phone agent to process the upgrade for you.
  • If you book PS outright, you can clear into D1 any time (including at booking) subject to availability similar to how GUCs used to work pre-2022.
  • The website now shows certificate availability since early 2021: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...d-12-31-a.html however quirks have been reported both with the website showing availability and agents saying no, or the website not showing availability but people clearing at booking. Unclear how much of this is buggy Delta IT and how much of it is uninformed/junior agents.
  • Delta phone agents and Twitter/chat reps can also check for available upgrade space
  • ExpertFlyer cannot be directly use to look for space in any two-letter inventory bucket, including the O_ upgrade buckets, but in some cases upgrade inventory may map onto a paid fare bucket such as Z; there have been observed quirks here as well so YMMV.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
Other upgrade rules
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with. However you can use GUCs to upgrade any number of companions up to the limit of however GUCs you have available, even if you do not need to upgrade yourself (i.e. you already purchased J).
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)
  • Gate agents can only process an upgrade if you are on the upgrade list. If one is not on the upgrade list because the GUC was incorrectly applied by a ticketing agent, that mistake can only be fixed by Delta reservations prior to 3 hours before schedule departure. If you check-in for a flight with a GUC supposedly applied (assuming it has not already cleared), and are not on the upgrade list, then something is wrong. The three hour deadline cannot be over-ridden, and a flyer with a mis-applied GUC will not be upgraded at the gate even if seats are available at departure.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • NOTE 2: Although as of Sep 2022 the website T&C have not been updated to reflect this yet, KL's rollout of Premium Economy is under way, and on routes where it is available, similar to on DL and AF you can only upgrade one cabin with a GUC.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade
  • Make sure they reissue the ticket before you hang up on the call. If the ticket is not reissued, the partner airline will cancel the segment entirely within several days, as from their perspective they will see a reserved seat without a supporting payment (the certificate).
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available. If you don't want to pay for an EF subscription you can also search ITA Matrix and force "f bc=z" in the extended codes to search only for Z availability.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy), or they can upgrade from W, S, or A class into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy), or they can upgrade from W, S, or A class into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy), or they can upgrade from W, S, or A class into Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class). "

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

NOTE 2: Most of the bullet points about GUCs on KL (above) apply to AF as well, including the advice to get the ticket reissued immediately upon clearing.

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...lantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...pgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, S, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to Virgin Atlantic’s P class (Premium Economy), or from fares booked in P, A, G class to Virgin Atlantic’s G class (Upper Class)." Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.
Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in J class to Korean Air’s A class, Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Delta no longer partners with Virgin Australia. "Effective September 1, 2021 Global Upgrade Certificates will no longer be issued on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights. For Global Upgrade Certificates already issued, travel must be completed by August 31, 2022 or within 1 year of the ticket being issued."



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Old Feb 5, 2022, 3:20 pm
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DL Initiated 3 hr Change but still must have new ug inventory

For two weeks running, DL has made a mess of a simple schedule: OKC-ATL-JFK-LHR. The original ticket was purchased 11/4/21 using GUCs.
Last week, there was a 3 hour change with the ATL-JFL flight, but rather than put me on OKC-ATL-LHR, they messed around and I now arrive later in LHR than is helpful for my onward travel out of the LHR airport.
Today, I do not know how many minutes were involved with ATL-JFK schedule change, but now I have 16 minutes to connect at ATL coming in from OKC and on to JFK.
The agent talked to someone in international changes (we disconnected and she called maybe 2 hours later) and said they would not put me on the direct flight due to the absence of ug inventory.
So when did DL change the policy that if they make a change as big as 3 hours they will not change the code and clear me into the best connection? Apparently the only thing that says my current schedule is that JFK-LHR still has ug inventory and they want me to be glad they are not charging me the PS fare (it is open jaw coming back from FCO that has direct flights).
In the past, we had changes that 'worked to our advantage'. Now, they are telling me to sit on this and see what happens since ATL-JFK flights appear to be changing almost every weekend now.
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Old Feb 5, 2022, 4:36 pm
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If the outbound higher-end call center gets involved, they can do anything.
Standard folks not so much.
But have you tried the chat?
Somehow chat saved me $200 on a R/T over other ATL-LIB tickets we purchased for same itinerary.... no idea how when online was showing more expensive price.
(so... additional inventory)
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Old Feb 5, 2022, 6:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Xeno
For two weeks running, DL has made a mess of a simple schedule: OKC-ATL-JFK-LHR. The original ticket was purchased 11/4/21 using GUCs.
Last week, there was a 3 hour change with the ATL-JFL flight, but rather than put me on OKC-ATL-LHR, they messed around and I now arrive later in LHR than is helpful for my onward travel out of the LHR airport.
Today, I do not know how many minutes were involved with ATL-JFK schedule change, but now I have 16 minutes to connect at ATL coming in from OKC and on to JFK.
The agent talked to someone in international changes (we disconnected and she called maybe 2 hours later) and said they would not put me on the direct flight due to the absence of ug inventory.
So when did DL change the policy that if they make a change as big as 3 hours they will not change the code and clear me into the best connection? Apparently the only thing that says my current schedule is that JFK-LHR still has ug inventory and they want me to be glad they are not charging me the PS fare (it is open jaw coming back from FCO that has direct flights).
In the past, we had changes that 'worked to our advantage'. Now, they are telling me to sit on this and see what happens since ATL-JFK flights appear to be changing almost every weekend now.
I am very disappointed my thread was merged into this meaningful but long and winding thread. My query had nothing to do with 2/1/22 policy about GUCs, but the change of policy by DL for some time now of not protecting out ug when they are the ones who made the changed.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 3:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Xeno
For two weeks running, DL has made a mess of a simple schedule: OKC-ATL-JFK-LHR. The original ticket was purchased 11/4/21 using GUCs.
Last week, there was a 3 hour change with the ATL-JFL flight, but rather than put me on OKC-ATL-LHR, they messed around and I now arrive later in LHR than is helpful for my onward travel out of the LHR airport.
Today, I do not know how many minutes were involved with ATL-JFK schedule change, but now I have 16 minutes to connect at ATL coming in from OKC and on to JFK.
The agent talked to someone in international changes (we disconnected and she called maybe 2 hours later) and said they would not put me on the direct flight due to the absence of ug inventory.
So when did DL change the policy that if they make a change as big as 3 hours they will not change the code and clear me into the best connection? Apparently the only thing that says my current schedule is that JFK-LHR still has ug inventory and they want me to be glad they are not charging me the PS fare (it is open jaw coming back from FCO that has direct flights).
In the past, we had changes that 'worked to our advantage'. Now, they are telling me to sit on this and see what happens since ATL-JFK flights appear to be changing almost every weekend now.
Just call back and push the issue. If they do a schedule change, you should not have to requalify for upgrade, thats on them. There have been multiple reports of this. HUCA seems to work.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 3:14 pm
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I need to vent. I have been a Diamond member since the inception of the program, and I cannot remember ever facing this amount of frustration with Delta. I am trying to purchase a Delta One fare for myself on a TATL itinerary and purchase a Premium Select fare for my wife which will be upgraded with a GUC. I spent ~ 1 hour online searching for upgrade space for her, greatly complicated by the fact that if I do XXX-ATL-CDG-YYY it will not show the upgrade availability in many cases on ATL-CDG, but if I just search ATL-CDG it will. So I need to look at possible itineraries XXX-DTW-CDG-YYY, XXX-JFK-CDG-YYY, XXX-ATL-AMS-YYY, etc. I found an itinerary that works without having an absurd Delta One fare (> $8k), and then spent 2 and a half hours on the phone with Delta (and this does not include the 5 minutes holding to speak with an agent initially). We go through ticketing both me and my wife, and then they say that the TATL return (CDG-DTW) can only be waitlisted for my wife, as there is no availability. I say that is crazy, the web site shows otherwise:


Here is the pop-up window if you click on "Delta One available..."


The first agent says that he cannot explain the discrepancy between what he sees (no upgrade availability) and what I see, and would I like to talk with another associate. I say yes, and go through the same process. She also ends up saying that she cannot upgrade my wife, and I insist that she talk to a supervisor. She goes back and forth between me and the supervisor, asks me to email them the screenshots above, and then says that since the web shows availability, the supervisor should be able to book this and honor that. Ultimately, she comes back and says that they will not do it, but would I like to speak with the supervisor. I talk with the supervisor who remains adamant that they can do nothing. I thought in the past that having status meant that you could avoid all of this and that Delta would honor what their web site shows. That appears to no longer be the case. It is also clear that the GUCs are worthless even if I am willing to pay $2,800 for a PS fare.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Utskicat
Just call back and push the issue. If they do a schedule change, you should not have to requalify for upgrade, thats on them. There have been multiple reports of this. HUCA seems to work.
The reason I started a dedicated thread was that HUCA does not resolve a policy DL put in place at some point in 2021. I have run into this before and do not remember how it was resolved.
For two weekends running, I have invested in 3.5 hour phone tie ups with DL agents. The initial DM agents want to quickly move me to the direct flight out of ATL but 1 or 2 hours later someone else tells him/her that they will not move me due to the lack of ug inventory even though DL initiated the change and not me.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by ehe123
I need to vent. I have been a Diamond member since the inception of the program, and I cannot remember ever facing this amount of frustration with Delta. I am trying to purchase a Delta One fare for myself on a TATL itinerary and purchase a Premium Select fare for my wife which will be upgraded with a GUC. I spent ~ 1 hour online searching for upgrade space for her, greatly complicated by the fact that if I do XXX-ATL-CDG-YYY it will not show the upgrade availability in many cases on ATL-CDG, but if I just search ATL-CDG it will. So I need to look at possible itineraries XXX-DTW-CDG-YYY, XXX-JFK-CDG-YYY, XXX-ATL-AMS-YYY, etc. I found an itinerary that works without having an absurd Delta One fare (> $8k), and then spent 2 and a half hours on the phone with Delta (and this does not include the 5 minutes holding to speak with an agent initially). We go through ticketing both me and my wife, and then they say that the TATL return (CDG-DTW) can only be waitlisted for my wife, as there is no availability. I say that is crazy, the web site shows otherwise:


Here is the pop-up window if you click on "Delta One available..."


The first agent says that he cannot explain the discrepancy between what he sees (no upgrade availability) and what I see, and would I like to talk with another associate. I say yes, and go through the same process. She also ends up saying that she cannot upgrade my wife, and I insist that she talk to a supervisor. She goes back and forth between me and the supervisor, asks me to email them the screenshots above, and then says that since the web shows availability, the supervisor should be able to book this and honor that. Ultimately, she comes back and says that they will not do it, but would I like to speak with the supervisor. I talk with the supervisor who remains adamant that they can do nothing. I thought in the past that having status meant that you could avoid all of this and that Delta would honor what their web site shows. That appears to no longer be the case. It is also clear that the GUCs are worthless even if I am willing to pay $2,800 for a PS fare.
I think the problem is married segment vs one way availability.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by kobyjones21
I think the problem is married segment vs one way availability.
From my experience Delta metal has never been subject to married segments for GUC (segment by segment) but AF and KL are because you need Z avails (meaning your ticket has to be rebooked as Z and if Z not available all the way through they can’t do it). I had a schedule change after 2/1 for AF metal booked in coach and upgraded to Z. They moved me to a new AF flight in 20 min but they changed the flight code from AF to DL (but still Z). So I won’t get MQD boost but oh well. At least the flight was rebooked quickly. DL needs to fix the no rebooking with schedule change on DL metal that people are complaining of.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Xeno
The reason I started a dedicated thread was that HUCA does not resolve a policy DL put in place at some point in 2021.
There's also this existing thread: Rebookings with RUCs/GUCs (schedule change/IRROPs/voluntary changes) Thread

rumblings about a change in policy began in May/June, read forward from about post 55.
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Old Feb 7, 2022, 10:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Xeno
The reason I started a dedicated thread was that HUCA does not resolve a policy DL put in place at some point in 2021. I have run into this before and do not remember how it was resolved.
For two weekends running, I have invested in 3.5 hour phone tie ups with DL agents. The initial DM agents want to quickly move me to the direct flight out of ATL but 1 or 2 hours later someone else tells him/her that they will not move me due to the lack of ug inventory even though DL initiated the change and not me.
Last time I spoke with an agent who successfully did the rebook, I questioned why so many agents now say you have to have upgrade inventory on the new flight. His reply was two-fold
1) He said many agents confuse the KM sections that are referring to VOLUNTARY changes. Its apparently a very long page and when people do a search for the rebooking rules, they start reading rules not realizing they are under the voluntary changes section.
2) The newest language in the schedule change section is apparently very poorly written. He said that the rules refer to protecting "originally ticketed class" which accurately refer to the ticketed class BEFORE the schedule change. But some agents read this to mean the original ticket purchased (before upgrade). He also said there is a note that they can call some other desk to have them protect upgraded space if its not available on the new flights. He told me to push on this policy if I get it...that it hasn't been addressed from mgmt, its just agents trying to decode poorly written instructions.
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Old Feb 8, 2022, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by kobyjones21
I think the problem is married segment vs one way availability.
I suspect that this is the issue, but it is amazing that the three agents (including one supervisor) never raised this. But the problem is only on the return not the outbound. Instead of doing XXX-DTW-CDG-YYY, Delta One Upgrade availability will show if I do XXX-DTW-CDG. Unfortunately, the one seat available for upgrade on Nov. 12 for CDG-ATL now no longer exists.
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Old Feb 8, 2022, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by Zorak
There's also this existing thread: Rebookings with RUCs/GUCs (schedule change/IRROPs/voluntary changes) Thread

rumblings about a change in policy began in May/June, read forward from about post 55.
I see that post #63 is like my case so my thread should have been moved to this conversation.
I would say that from my experience in the last few weeks that DL is more rigid about insisting I must locate ug inventory even when DL makes the change. Not all the DM agents who answer my calls seem to know this, but by the time they talk to a supervisor or international reissue agent they move from sympathetic to rigid rejection.
I know we are not supposed to cross post, but I am tempted to start posting in this other thread since my issues have nothing to do with the GUC changes on 2/1/22.
Edited to say I see that I actually posted in that thread #124 when I first encountered this problem in July 2021!

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Old Feb 8, 2022, 8:29 am
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Originally Posted by Utskicat
Last time I spoke with an agent who successfully did the rebook, I questioned why so many agents now say you have to have upgrade inventory on the new flight. His reply was two-fold
1) He said many agents confuse the KM sections that are referring to VOLUNTARY changes. Its apparently a very long page and when people do a search for the rebooking, they start reading rules not realizing they are under the voluntary changes section.
2) The newest language in the schedule change section is apparently very poorly written. He said that the rules refer to protecting "originally ticketed class" which accurately refer to the ticketed class BEFORE the schedule change. But some agents read this to mean the original ticket purchased. He also said there is a note that they can call some other desk to have them protect upgraded space if its not available on the new flights. He told me to push on this policy if I get it...that it hasn't been addressed from mgmt, its just agents trying to decode poorly written instructions.
I have faithfully checked Saturday schedule changes to make certain to avoid developments that would negatively impact my trips. There was a time that when DL made a change of perhaps 90 minutes, I could call up with selected flights and have little to no trouble getting alternative flights.
Now DL's IT goes wild - first it's a 3 hour change then it's a 16 minute connect not marked as illegal - and while DM agents start out friendly, by the time they transfer me to a supervisor that is the end of the road. I thought the DM phone agents were also consulting with international reissue agents and if so then DL has an unpublished policy that penalizes someone like me who has to purchase tickets far in advance of actual travel.
BTW, DL would have put me on the direct ATL-LHR flight but I would be waitlisted which is not an option with my medical history.

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Old Feb 8, 2022, 10:25 am
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I think I have now resigned myself to thinking that GUCs are useless for most international travel, and that they have become super-RUCs that can be reliably used for domestic flights without waitlisting.
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Old Feb 8, 2022, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by ehe123
I think I have now resigned myself to thinking that GUCs are useless for most international travel, and that they have become super-RUCs that can be reliably used for domestic flights without waitlisting.
I used to do okay when we had to buy M/B/Y to use GUCs for international D1 and worried that the switch to lower fares would doom the program. It appears that anxiety was not misplaced.
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