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Using Global Upgrades on Delta (GUCs) post 2/1/2022 Changes

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NOTE: Both GUC and RUC rules are listed below because the way GUCs work on domestic routes is now different than how RUCs work

New Fare Table for GUC/RUC Effective 2/1/2022


*****GUC*****

Flight has First Class
MC/C+ = Purchased
First = Last Seat J (Old Policy = OY)

Flight has DPS only
MC/C+ = Purchased
DPS = Last Seat (GUC=P / RUC=G) (Old Policy = RY)

Flight has D1 with no DPS
MC/C+ = Purchased
D1 = Z (Old Policy = OY)

Flight has D1 with DPS
MC/C+ = Purchased
DPS = Last Seat (GUC=P / RUC=G) (Old Policy = RY)
D1 = OY @ T-24h15m

Flight has D1 with DPS
DPS = Purchased
D1 = Z (Old Policy = OY)

Note: If GUC applied to domestic flight, it has better inventory than RUC (better chance for D1 transcon or to Hawaii)

*****RUC*****

Flight has First Class
MC/C+ = Purchased
First = Z (Old Policy = OY)

Flight has D1 with no DPS
MC/C+ = Purchased
D1 = OY (no change in old policy = OY)

Delta is using public inventory buckets J Z P G (and non-public bucket OY in some cases) to determine GUC/RUC availability. However once they have confirmed you the system converts the segment in your reservation to a different bucket. Here is the class mapping:
GUC Usage
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to DPS / P class needed / Books into RV (Clears at T-24.15 into D1 as OX if OY available)
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to D1 (no DPS) / Z class needed / Books into OK
DPS purchased / Upgrade to D1 / Z class needed / Books into OK
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to FC (no D1/DPS) / J class needed / Books into OV

RUC Usage
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to DPS / G class needed / Books into RX (Clears at T-24.15 into D1 as OX if OY available) ****THIS AIRCRAFT CONFIG MAKES NO SENSE DPS IS NOT SOLD ON RUC ROUTES, MAYBE THIS IS FOR FUTURE PLANS?****
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to D1 (no DPS) / OY class needed / Books into OX
DPS purchased / Upgrade to D1 / OY class needed / Books into OX ****THIS AIRCRAFT CONFIG MAKES NO SENSE DPS IS NOT SOLD ON RUC ROUTES, MAYBE THIS IS FOR FUTURE PLANS?****
MC or C+ purchased / Upgrade to FC (no D1/DPS) / Z class needed / Books into OL

New Delta.com Upgrade Availability Indicators that appeared 2/1/22 and what they mean

Dom D1 Tag meaning:
Global Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in Z (OY = 0 for RUC)
Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in Z /or/ RUC in OY both available

Dom F Tag meaning:
Global Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in Last Seat J (Z = 0 for RUC)
Upgrade Certificate Available = GUC in last seat J /or/ RUC in Z both available

Example D1 Flights from JFK - LAX (flight numbers are fictitious)

DL 01
Dom D1 flight
Actual Availability: J5 C4 D4 Z3
Hidden Availability: OY2
Website indicator: Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (2 RUC (OY) open, 3 GUC (Z) open)

DL 02
Dom D1 flight
Actual Availability: J5 C4 D4 Z3
Hidden Availability: OY0
Website indicator: Global Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (0 RUC (OY) open, 3 GUC (Z) open)

DL 03
Dom D1 flight
Actual Availability: J3 C2 D2 Z0
Hidden Availability: OY0
Website indicator: No flag - neither is available GUC (Z0) and RUC (OY0)

DL 04
Dom First flight
Actual Availability: J3 C2 D2 Z1
Hidden Availability: n/a
Website indicator: Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (1 RUC (Z) open, 3 GUC (J) open)

DL 05
Dom First flight
Actual Availability: J3 C2 D2 Z0
Hidden Availability: n/a
Website indicator: Global Upgrade Certificate Available
Actual decode: (0 RUC (Z) open, 3 GUC (J) open)

DL 06
Dom First flight
Actual Availability: J0 C0 D0 Z0
Hidden Availability: n/a
Website indicator: No flag - neither is available
Actual decode: (0 RUC (Z) open, 0 GUC (J) open)

Other Upgrade Rules (post 01 Feb 2022)

Using GUCs to upgrade companions:
  • "There is no limit to the number of travel companions you can upgrade with an Upgrade Certificate even if you dont need to use one for yourself.* In order to upgrade your companions, they must be flying in the same reservation or a linked reservation and each companion will require their own Certificate to be upgraded."
  • *but if you are using an AMEX Companion Cert then you must use GUCs for both passengers or none (must travel in same cabin)

Using Delta Global Upgrades

DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles...llion-upgrades
scroll down to "Upgrade Certificates" and start reading there. Other primary sections of interest may be "Where to Use Upgrade Certificates" and "How the Upgrade Certificates Waitlist Works", or scroll to the bottom to expand the full T&C (also the pre-2022 historical terms are still available as well)

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Starting with the 2022 Medallion year, upgrade certificates now expire at the end of the Medallion year they are associated with, i.e. for MQ*s accumulated in 2022, to qualify for 2023 status, any certificates selected with 2023 Choice Benefits expire Jan 31, 2024 regardless of when you select them. (Historically, certs expired a year after the date on which you selected them but this is no longer the case). So if you are confident you will be using GUCs (or RUCs for that matter) there is no longer much reason to wait to select them -- the only real reason to wait is that if you reach the end of the year without having needed to select certificates, you would still be able to choose something else like SkyMiles as a Choice Benefit.
  • Certificates usually appear in your account within 24 hours of selection (and in most cases far sooner than that, within a small number of hours). If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You do not need to select all three DM benefits at the same time, nor do you need to select your PM benefit before your DM benefits
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.
Finding upgrade space
  • If you book a main cabin ticket, GUCs may now only be used to clear in advance into Premium Select; you can still use a single GUC to upgrade from main to PS, then waitlist for D1, but in this case you will not clear any earlier than T-24h. Note: in most cases gate agents in other countries may not know how or be willing to clear the day-of-travel upgrade list, in which case you are relying on space to open up before the gate takes control and being able to call in to get a phone agent to process the upgrade for you.
  • If you book PS outright, you can clear into D1 any time (including at booking) subject to availability similar to how GUCs used to work pre-2022.
  • The website now shows certificate availability since early 2021: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...d-12-31-a.html however quirks have been reported both with the website showing availability and agents saying no, or the website not showing availability but people clearing at booking. Unclear how much of this is buggy Delta IT and how much of it is uninformed/junior agents.
  • Delta phone agents and Twitter/chat reps can also check for available upgrade space
  • ExpertFlyer cannot be directly use to look for space in any two-letter inventory bucket, including the O_ upgrade buckets, but in some cases upgrade inventory may map onto a paid fare bucket such as Z; there have been observed quirks here as well so YMMV.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
Other upgrade rules
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with. However you can use GUCs to upgrade any number of companions up to the limit of however GUCs you have available, even if you do not need to upgrade yourself (i.e. you already purchased J).
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • NOTE 2: Although as of Sep 2022 the website T&C have not been updated to reflect this yet, KL's rollout of Premium Economy is under way, and on routes where it is available, similar to on DL and AF you can only upgrade one cabin with a GUC.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade
  • Make sure they reissue the ticket before you hang up on the call. If the ticket is not reissued, the partner airline will cancel the segment entirely within several days, as from their perspective they will see a reserved seat without a supporting payment (the certificate).
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available. If you don't want to pay for an EF subscription you can also search ITA Matrix and force "f bc=z" in the extended codes to search only for Z availability.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy), or they can upgrade from W, S, or A class into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy), or they can upgrade from W, S, or A class into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy), or they can upgrade from W, S, or A class into Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class). "

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

NOTE 2: Most of the bullet points about GUCs on KL (above) apply to AF as well, including the advice to get the ticket reissued immediately upon clearing.

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...lantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...pgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, S, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to Virgin Atlantics P class (Premium Economy), or from fares booked in P, A, G class to Virgin Atlantics G class (Upper Class)." Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.
Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in J class to Korean Airs A class, Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australias Business Class.

Delta no longer partners with Virgin Australia. "Effective September 1, 2021 Global Upgrade Certificates will no longer be issued on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights. For Global Upgrade Certificates already issued, travel must be completed by August 31, 2022 or within 1 year of the ticket being issued."
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Old Jul 16, 22, 3:30 pm
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All of this has me wondering, was my GUC applied correctly for Sept, or do I have a surprise in store for me? I cleared into D1 immediately on booking over the phone, and my initial domestic leg shows First Class (OV) on the app, and the int'l leg shows Delta One (OK). I'd call the Diamond line to confirm but I don't fully trust I'll get the right response.
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Old Jul 16, 22, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by GeminisTwin View Post
All of this has me wondering, was my GUC applied correctly for Sept, or do I have a surprise in store for me? I cleared into D1 immediately on booking over the phone, and my initial domestic leg shows First Class (OV) on the app, and the int'l leg shows Delta One (OK). I'd call the Diamond line to confirm but I don't fully trust I'll get the right response.
If you cleared at booking, there is no concern about whether it's applied correctly. Your only remaining pitfall is that unless/until the ticket has been reissued, you won't be able to do online check-in. But your upgrade and seat are confirmed.
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Old Jul 16, 22, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak View Post
If you cleared at booking, there is no concern about whether it's applied correctly. Your only remaining pitfall is that unless/until the ticket has been reissued, you won't be able to do online check-in. But your upgrade and seat are confirmed.
And piggybacking on this, if you go to your trip on the website and click View Receipt, if you see a line item that says "Applied eCredit," that is usually a good sign as the applied credit is your original ticket, and the new ticket number (at the top) means its been properly reissued.

Probably 99% chance you are good in that scenario (don't think you can say anything is 100% these days ).
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Old Jul 17, 22, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by GeminisTwin View Post
All of this has me wondering, was my GUC applied correctly for Sept, or do I have a surprise in store for me? I cleared into D1 immediately on booking over the phone, and my initial domestic leg shows First Class (OV) on the app, and the int'l leg shows Delta One (OK). I'd call the Diamond line to confirm but I don't fully trust I'll get the right response.
That's correct, anyway.
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Old Jul 19, 22, 4:27 am
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Can i use an GUC for the DOMESTIC part of an international flight? I have an upcoming trip from AMS with two connecting flights in the US. The TATL flight is full in D1, can i use an GUC for the two domestic flights? Phone agent says no... I understand i can't use an RUC for these flights but i thought a GUC should be working.
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Old Jul 19, 22, 6:24 am
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Originally Posted by mb752 View Post
Still possible, I just did this yesterday. But yes, I was on hold for well over an hour to the global help desk. Not sure if there's a better way, even if the first-level agent was apply to apply the GUC, you'd still want to talk to global support afterwards to have the ticket reissued.
Thanks - do you know what the deal is with "not being allowed to touch KLM tickets"? They make it sound like it was impossible to do...

Especially infuriating because the Delta European call center is staffed by KLM and if you call them to make changes, they will reissue your ticket as a KLM ticket (074) which means Delta in the US won't be able to "touch" it anymore...
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Old Jul 19, 22, 10:12 am
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Thanks - do you know what the deal is with "not being allowed to touch KLM tickets"? They make it sound like it was impossible to do...

Especially infuriating because the Delta European call center is staffed by KLM and if you call them to make changes, they will reissue your ticket as a KLM ticket (074) which means Delta in the US won't be able to "touch" it anymore...
AF/KL ended that relationship with DK handling their US reservations just before COVID.

Except for things like GUC, DL no longer touches tickets except for IRROPS on DoD.
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Old Jul 20, 22, 10:10 pm
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Incorrect GUC/RUC Expiration Date of 1-31-2023

I thought GUC's and RUC's are valid (must fly by date) for a period of one-year after the date requested as a Diamond (or Plat in the case of RUC's) benefit.

Wife requested her four Diamond GUC's on 5-11-22, but the expiration date on them on Delta.com show as 1-31-2023.
Same thing for me:
Diamond GUC's requested on 2-2-2022, but expire on 1-31-2023. (OK, only two days earlier than they should expire).
Plat RUC's requested on 3-13-2022, but the unused two of four also expire on 1-31-2023.
For both of us, the GUC's and RUC's were for status earned in 2021. Wife was never Diamond until Nov. 2021.

We requested the GUC's before they were needed to get the SkyClub benefit. That was our screw-up because we had no idea that the Diamond Benefits can now be redeemed individually instead of all together. Still, we really need wife's four GUC's to be usable to May 2023.

Is this a "Call Delta matter?"
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Old Jul 20, 22, 10:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Bowgie View Post
I thought GUC's and RUC's are valid (must fly by date) for a period of one-year after the date requested as a Diamond (or Plat in the case of RUC's) benefit.

[...]

Is this a "Call Delta matter?"
No, GUCs/RUCs now expire at the end of the associated Medallion year no matter when you select them (so there is no particular advantage to waiting to do so, although it may simplify accounting to hold off if you have others you haven't finished using up yet)

EDIT: hmm, the wiki needs updating (will try to fix that up now)
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Old Jul 21, 22, 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by Zorak View Post
No, GUCs/RUCs now expire at the end of the associated Medallion year no matter when you select them (so there is no particular advantage to waiting to do so, although it may simplify accounting to hold off if you have others you haven't finished using up yet)

EDIT: hmm, the wiki needs updating (will try to fix that up now)
For Bowgie's benefit, this was a change associated with the various changes in RUC/GUC rules as of 2/1/22. So certs associated with status earned in 2021 (the 2022 Medallion year) expire 1/31/23, so a downgrade vs. the old system if selected now; those from status earned in 2022 expire 1/31/24, so an upgrade vs. the old system if selected now, for those who have requalified already.

And I would add the one benefit to waiting to select certs is that if it is getting toward the end of the validity period you may decide you don't have a use for certs that year and select something else (most likely miles) instead.
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Old Jul 21, 22, 9:48 am
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Thanks for Clarity on GUC Expirations

Zorak and bgriff's replies answered my questions. At least I know I was bitten by Delta instead of my own mistake. I had a GUC's from my 2020 Diamond qualification year that I used in the first half of 2022. Delta was great about resetting old GUC's, RUC's, and Ames companion certs to 1-31-2023 due to covid when I wasn't flying much. But now, the old certs and the 2022 ones all expire at the same time, which makes the second half of 2022 crunch time.

People complain about having to use two GUC's for in-advance upgrades into Delta One. That did not bother me because I use single GUC's on unpopular routes (example MAD) flying old planes (767's) for day of departure upgrades to Delta One.

I tend to re-qualify for Diamond late in the calendar year, so the change in GUC expiration is a real downgrade for me.
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Originally Posted by Bowgie View Post
Zorak and bgriff's replies answered my questions. At least I know I was bitten by Delta instead of my own mistake. I had a GUC's from my 2020 Diamond qualification year that I used in the first half of 2022. Delta was great about resetting old GUC's, RUC's, and Ames companion certs to 1-31-2023 due to covid when I wasn't flying much. But now, the old certs and the 2022 ones all expire at the same time, which makes the second half of 2022 crunch time.

People complain about having to use two GUC's for in-advance upgrades into Delta One. That did not bother me because I use single GUC's on unpopular routes (example MAD) flying old planes (767's) for day of departure upgrades to Delta One.

I tend to re-qualify for Diamond late in the calendar year, so the change in GUC expiration is a real downgrade for me.
You only need one GUC for in advance upgrade to D1. If there's PE cabin you must buy PS and not main cabin. There's no double upgrade available. Ie can't buy main, upgrade to PS and use another to now go directly to D1.
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Old Jul 21, 22, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Bowgie View Post
I tend to re-qualify for Diamond late in the calendar year, so the change in GUC expiration is a real downgrade for me.
Even if you qualified for Diamond as late as 12/31 of a given year you'd still 13 months to use the GUC (medallion year ending on 1/31 plus 12 months). Now of course that might not be as long as the old policy e.g. waiting to redeem until super late then having 12 months form that date... but still seems pretty fair.

Only thing this changes for me personally is it might be harder to have 8 available GUCs at once to use for a family trip. I would need to earn Diamond one year, then Diamond again the next year much earlier in the year to have a longer window to use 2 year's worth of GUCs before the old year expires. YMMV depending on how you typically use yours.
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Old Jul 21, 22, 2:39 pm
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GUC usage on Korean air leg but delta flight number

Hello-
Trying to get to SGN (Saigon) from MSP. First I am happy delta is bring the MSP-ICN direct flight back post-pandemic. They will be flying the A359 on that route which is a bonus although I was happy on the 777 before they retired them. My problem is this.... I will purchase PS (3500$ RT in Premium select, I was in D1 on the inaugural flight in 2019 and paid 4,000 for the same trip) and use a GUC to jump to D1. No problem on the MSP-ICN leg, but 2 different calls on the Diamond line both said that the ICN -SGN leg will be in economy. It is KE operated obviously but has a DL flight number. Any thoughts on how to get into premiere on that leg? The trip isn't until March 23. Will this open up later on? I am not on expert flyer but D1 looks wide open at the moment. But I also do not want to wait and have all of the Z tickets sold out on the MSP-ICN leg. I looked at booking just MSP-ICN and booking directly on KE for the SGN leg but that fare was 1,000 more expensive just for the MSP-ICN leg. Thoughts?
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Old Jul 21, 22, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ginkobingo View Post
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No problem on the MSP-ICN leg, but 2 different calls on the Diamond line both said that the ICN -SGN leg will be in economy. It is KE operated obviously but has a DL flight number. Any thoughts on how to get into premiere on that leg?
Did you read the T&C for using GUC on KE? Because it's pretty unambiguous. You need a Y, B or M ticket to use the GUC (and there is no waitlist).
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