Effective March 1, 2018, Enhanced Requirements Service/Support Animals
Jan 19, 2018, 6:11 pm
#106
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As someone who has a highly trained service dog, I am glad to see Delta take a step towards increased regulation of ESAs. I am tired of ESAs and fake service dogs barking and lunging at us, endangering the safety of myself and my dog. No dog is perfect, but the fakers make all service dogs look bad. I frequently get comments from people who are surprised by how well behaved my dog is, when in reality, that level of behavior should be the expected norm.
Jan 19, 2018, 6:22 pm
#107
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Stop With Attacking Fellow FlyerTalk Members
Posted content has been deleted from this discussion which concentrated on attacking fellow FlyerTalk members — rather than discussing the topic.
This is an emotional — no pun intended — topic about which people are passionate. By all means, feel free to disagree with any opinions posted — vehemently, if you must — and please try to keep an open mind about what other FlyerTalk members are saying...
...but simply attacking fellow FlyerTalk members is unacceptable — even if done cryptically — and FlyerTalk members who continue to do so are subject to disciplinary action.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
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This is an emotional — no pun intended — topic about which people are passionate. By all means, feel free to disagree with any opinions posted — vehemently, if you must — and please try to keep an open mind about what other FlyerTalk members are saying...
...but simply attacking fellow FlyerTalk members is unacceptable — even if done cryptically — and FlyerTalk members who continue to do so are subject to disciplinary action.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Regards,
Canarsie
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Jan 19, 2018, 7:12 pm
#108
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BOOOOOO. Certain FT members (I won't name ONE) are basically trolls. The more they get called out, the less they will subject us to their divisive posts....at least IMHO.
Jan 19, 2018, 7:27 pm
#109
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Personally, I am pleased that DL is cracking down on this. I understand, respect and support the use of ESAs for those with a clearly defined need as certified by a licensed behavioral health provider expert in these matters. The people abusing the system and bringing their ill-behaved animals on the plane pose a risk to the health and safety of others. It's just not acceptable.
Jan 19, 2018, 7:32 pm
#110
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From here on in, the discussion will pertain to the enhanced requirements set forth by Delta Air Lines for passengers with service dogs and emotional support animals — not about other members of FlyerTalk.
I am not sure how I can be any clearer...
Jan 19, 2018, 7:38 pm
#111
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Finally! Thank you Delta! ^
Jan 19, 2018, 7:38 pm
#112
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I was deplaning a couple of months ago at JFK and there was a terrier ESA who was literally biting every passenger on the ankle as they deplaned while her owner just stood there and stared. I love dogs, and I'm not suggesting I suffered any sort of injury from the bite, but it also seems like that probably isn't an appropriate pet to have in the cabin of a plane.
Jan 19, 2018, 7:52 pm
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I was deplaning a couple of months ago at JFK and there was a terrier ESA who was literally biting every passenger on the ankle as they deplaned while her owner just stood there and stared. I love dogs, and I'm not suggesting I suffered any sort of injury from the bite, but it also seems like that probably isn't an appropriate pet to have in the cabin of a plane.
Jan 19, 2018, 8:44 pm
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Jan 19, 2018, 8:51 pm
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Jan 19, 2018, 11:45 pm
#116
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Please Remain On Topic
Perhaps I have not made myself clear...
This discussion is not about children or infants aboard airplanes — which has had a history on FlyerTalk of being so contentious that discussions pertaining to that have been locked — and discussion of that has been deleted from this thread.
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Canarsie
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As a moderator of the Delta Air Lines SkyMiles forum for almost 14 years — my two colleagues served even longer than me — my experience suggests that your statement is basically incorrect.
From here on in, the discussion will pertain to the enhanced requirements set forth by Delta Air Lines for passengers with service dogs and emotional support animals — not about other members of FlyerTalk.
I am not sure how I can be any clearer...
From here on in, the discussion will pertain to the enhanced requirements set forth by Delta Air Lines for passengers with service dogs and emotional support animals — not about other members of FlyerTalk.
I am not sure how I can be any clearer...
Regards,
Canarsie
Co-Moderator, Delta Air Lines SkyMiles forum
Jan 20, 2018, 6:10 am
#117
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First of all, I applaud Delta for creating a fair system to reduce the amount of fraudulent ESA and service animals taking advantage of the system.
My question is, will any of these new policies (48 hour advance documentation for vet records/forms/etc) be required for standard pets traveling in the cabin, in a carrier, paying the $125 each way fee?
My interpretation is no, as the news article directly from DL specifically mentions "service and support animals." Anyone know of anything different?
We moved a year ago from Florida to Alaska and flew up with our small bichon frise in a carrier under the seat. We have plans to fly back to Florida for a week in May (got a great deal on F tickets!) and I'm curious if we will have any issues when we bring our pet along. We always travel with a pet health certificate, which agents say technically is not required unless your pet is traveling as cargo. We definitely don't take our pet on every trip, but for as long as we are in Alaska I can see us flying with a pet on a yearly basis.
My question is, will any of these new policies (48 hour advance documentation for vet records/forms/etc) be required for standard pets traveling in the cabin, in a carrier, paying the $125 each way fee?
My interpretation is no, as the news article directly from DL specifically mentions "service and support animals." Anyone know of anything different?
We moved a year ago from Florida to Alaska and flew up with our small bichon frise in a carrier under the seat. We have plans to fly back to Florida for a week in May (got a great deal on F tickets!) and I'm curious if we will have any issues when we bring our pet along. We always travel with a pet health certificate, which agents say technically is not required unless your pet is traveling as cargo. We definitely don't take our pet on every trip, but for as long as we are in Alaska I can see us flying with a pet on a yearly basis.
Jan 20, 2018, 7:03 am
#118
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You're talking about two separate issues (passengers who don't have legit ESA credentials and animals that you don't think are appropriate to be an ESA).
Some of these policies seem perfectly fine under ACA.
I don't think these policies are going to make any significant difference, FWIW.
ESAs at target are completely unrelated, since the ACA doesn't apply at Target and the ADA doesn't address ESAs.
That's a different matter. If you want to change laws fine, but violating the law seems like a bad way to go about it.
Some of these policies seem perfectly fine under ACA.
I don't think these policies are going to make any significant difference, FWIW.
ESAs at target are completely unrelated, since the ACA doesn't apply at Target and the ADA doesn't address ESAs.
That's a different matter. If you want to change laws fine, but violating the law seems like a bad way to go about it.
ADA actually does address ESAs and emotional support is not considered a service function.
Jan 20, 2018, 7:29 am
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Jan 20, 2018, 7:44 am
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Playing devils advocate here...
What about those that book flights within 48 hours of departure? Are those pax excempt from the advance documentation or does the air carrier access act mandate 48 hour notice before boarding a flight with a service animal..?
What about those that book flights within 48 hours of departure? Are those pax excempt from the advance documentation or does the air carrier access act mandate 48 hour notice before boarding a flight with a service animal..?