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Old Jan 19, 2018, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by jdrtravel
I remind everyone that, despite there being a real problem with fake ESA's, there are also those who have a real need, and who are seriously helped by ESA's.

This includes, as DL points out in their statement, traumatized vets and others with mental health issues. Mental health issues are quite often an invisible disability. You just can't know if someone is being legit or not.

Please remember that for some, being able to fly with an ESA means being able to fly. Period. And being able to fly might mean being able to see your family at the holidays, visit an ill and dying parent, or take a trip that will ultimately be very good and helpful for one's mental health if the travel can be managed.
Man Lawyers Up After Being Badly Bitten By Emotional Support Animal on Delta Flight - View from the Wing
Just because someone needs an ESA does NOT give that animal the right to maul another passenger nor does the animal being ESA or a service animal give the owner legal right to abdicate their responsibility as the OWNER of the dog. Go to the link above to see the pictures from the man who was mauled by the ESA animal while being pinned in at his window seat. The right of the person needing to fly with an ESA animal DOES NOT trump the mauled mans right to fly safely without bodily harm. On top of the fake ESA problem, there is also this misguided belief by the owners of fake ESA animals, that their pets being ESA makes then not liable for cleaning up after their pets, controlling noise etc.. They usually learn the hard way when their neighbors call animal control and "its a service animal" doesn't fly with the animal control officer and they get fined.

Couple of years ago, even Disney stopped issuing line passes to the disabled and handicap because of the high number of people were abusing it. To some of you who have pointed out that faking ESA is justified because of the cost of being honest is too high, all I'll say is that I've learned over the years that sleazeballs don't stop at just ONE lie or fraud!
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 12:43 pm
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I like it that Delta is (yet again) taking the lead here.

Question is, does this push all of those traveling with their sugar glider off to another airline? If so, that's great, as I mostly fly Delta.

Or, will all other US carriers follow suit, which would be great overall, but then Delta loses the distinction.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 12:45 pm
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Delta is amazing/excellent! Kudos for this.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 12:46 pm
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Passengers who claim a need for an emotional support animal should not be allowed to fly on future flights until they get a followup letter from a health professional stating that they no longer need the animal. This should apply across all airlines.

If an airline is on notice that a passenger needs the animal, the airline might not be able to defend against a lawsuit if the airline allowed the passenger to fly without the animal and the passenger caused some problem.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by josephstern
Or, will all other US carriers follow suit, which would be great overall, but then Delta loses the distinction.
That's usually how it works. A good idea gets copied.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by apodo77
Well duh. Never claimed they weren't.
They are also paper mills handing out ESA's to anyone willing to pay them. All you have to di is fill out their questionaire and whether they actually have a valid reason for needing an ESA one will be issued. Anyne can get one.
That doesn't make them fraudulent.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by pvn
That doesn't make them fraudulent.
Actually, it does. Should evidence be brought up that they released those certification without following state-of-the-art procedure at a minimum they would lose their license.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by thesaints
Actually, it does. Should evidence be brought up that they released those certification without following state-of-the-art procedure at a minimum they would lose their license.
They might be fraudulent. The fact that it's very easy to get these doesn't mean they aren't following procedures.

And until it's proven otherwise, the paper is legit. Delta can't legally deny a pax on the basis that a bunch of naive internet posters are mad that some of these might be fraudulent.

This policy isn't going to change anything. It's just wishcasting.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by pvn
They might be fraudulent. The fact that it's very easy to get these doesn't mean they aren't following procedures.

And until it's proven otherwise, the paper is legit. Delta can't legally deny a pax on the basis that a bunch of naive internet posters are mad that some of these might be fraudulent.

This policy isn't going to change anything. It's just wishcasting.
It'll at least make it a bit more challenging than the current process whereby you only need to spend $22 on an ESA kit from Amazon.

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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:27 pm
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This policy isn't going to change anything.
So what would you do to remove non-legitimate ESAs from the getting on board? Or do you deny that this occurs?
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:32 pm
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It is all part of a wider problem caused by the pendulum having swung from an extreme, where no accommodations were made for disabled people, to the other.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:36 pm
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Denying people what they're entitled to under US law is "growing a backbone"?
There is always one.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:40 pm
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I think there are two different topics of focus here:
Delta's ability to deny boarding based on less than valid credential
VS. (MORE IMPORTANT)
If a customer boards an aircraft with an animal who damages the aircraft or another passenger - Delta now has documented record to pursue legal action against the passengers and doctor. I would go so far to say they can pursue it criminally if passenger is breaking the law - as the passenger and a doctor have signed away their reputation if something goes left.

IMO, it is the equivalent of a bar serving an overly drunk customer knowing he/she must drive. If that person causes death or property damage - the bar is potentially as liable equal to the drunk driver.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:43 pm
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The doctor only certified the patient condition, not the animal suitability. Definitely the ESA docs issuer would be, though. "Knowing they must drive" seems to be a hell of a thing to prove in court.
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Old Jan 19, 2018, 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Newman55
So what would you do to remove non-legitimate ESAs from the getting on board? Or do you deny that this occurs?
I haven't seen any evidence that it's a widespread problem. Also the way the law currently stands makes doing any more extremely difficult (the new policies could already be beyond what is legally permissible).
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