MIDWESTERNFLYER

No, It hasn't

Saturday only service to CUN on DL/WN/Y4, Saturday only service to PUJ on Swift, DL used to run Sat only service to NAS a year or two ago but I think that was dropped, AC runs daily to YYZ.

ATA/J1/USair had hubs in IND, AirTran and NWA had focus cities in IND, Allegiant currently has a focus city in IND.

MEM used to have its only TATL to AMS, and as I mentioned before NWA was planning to add IND-AMS before they merged. PVD had Azores Airlines before Norwegian came to town. I believe PDX's first TATL was to AMS as well (or it was LH I can't remember). OAK had CityBird to BRU. I am sure there are other examples if you want to look around for them.

MIDWESTERNFLYER

I love how you pick and chose the information that you like to use. Are you going to mention any of the other companies listed or are you going to skip over those.

JSprague24

CMH-AMS was rumored for a time, too. Apparently, there was a plan to put a WorldClub in C and move NW's operations to the empty gates there.

KDCAflyer

Nope. The reason for mentioning GE is that they use the CVG-CDG flight to send hundreds of tons of engine parts to Airbus in France every year. It's largely what helps keep that flight viable. I don't see a similar arrangement coming together for a potential TATL flight ex-IND. Such a flight would almost certainly would have to stand on yields alone.

Keith2004

Interesting,
The previous AMS ops really are a testament to how close NW was to KLM, I wonder going forward if DL is going to get closer to KLM,
New MCO non-stop would certainly be leaning in that direction.

Personally I'm all for it because I definitely prefer AMS to CDG any day of the week to transit

MSPeconomist

What about Nebraska?

greycap7

Not sure if I alluded to that?

MIDWESTERNFLYER

How do you possibly not see a similar agreement coming together after all the things I listed to you. You are way too close minded.

AMS is closer to Hamburg than CDG, and Hamburg is where they have final assembly for some of the Airbus aircraft. So, it is logical that some parts could go on a IND-AMS flight. Not even considering all the other cargo that could go on such a flight as well.

Don't forget Toulouse is still 7 hours from CDG, and none of the other French manufacturing plants for Airbus are even close to Paris. Plus, it isn't like there is no other way to get those parts to Toulouse other than the DL CDG-CVG flight. FedEx easily could fly the parts IND-CDG, CDG-TLS, considering they already fly those routes.

But back on point: AMS-IND has higher pax numbers than CVG-AMS, and has the cargo potential as well. What makes you think, CVG would do better on CVG-AMS, without GE propping it up? Don't say corporate contracts, because DL has those as well in IND

greycap7

Using Delta as the main vehicle for transferring parts to Hamburg or Toulouse is a misnomer.

GE uses Delta to transport parts to continental Europe in the event of mechanical failures. Having a flight 7 days a week is ideal. CDG is an ideal location for parts to be transported to other cities.

greycap7

MCO-AMS was loaded into the schedule this morning, so that is now confirmed.

pbarnette

Based upon the information available, I highly doubt that is true.

KDCAflyer

It's not, but on that particular route, it is a significant supplement.

pbarnette

Depending upon how one defines "significant", I have my doubts that is true either.

greycap7

Keep in mind that P&G is not the only frequent user of this flight, other local companies such as amongst many others Convergys, Cintas, dunnhumbyUSA, Landor, and Kroger also regularly send people to Europe, though definitely not at the volume that P&G does.

greycap7

In 2000, Ryan International operated a private charter for P&G. It was an A320 (N573DC) that was fitted with 66 seats in a single business configuration. The routing was CVG-KEF-BRU-KEF-CVG. I can't remember if it ran longer than a year, but know that P&G's biggest complaint, and a reason why they went to/back to DL was that Ryan couldn't offer FF miles like DL could.