Payload Optimized [The Definitive Thread]
Nov 28, 2018, 12:07 pm
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For example, the gate agent might say that all carryon bags need to fit onboard because the cargo bins are full, when in reality, the gate agent needs to minimize checking carryons because every bag tag adds 30 lbs to the aircraft’s weight.
Nov 28, 2018, 12:10 pm
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Most the time, it’s not publicly announced, but the issues are handled behind the scenes. Or, the phrasing might be different.
For example, the gate agent might say that all carryon bags need to fit onboard because the cargo bins are full, when in reality, the gate agent needs to minimize checking carryons because every bag tag adds 30 lbs to the aircraft’s weight.
If I had to guess, outside of a few edge case airports/routes that push the limits of the aircrafts (usually not big business travel routes), payload optimized flights make up well under 1% of Delta's flights.
Nov 28, 2018, 5:28 pm
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In general, payload optimized flights are rare; but on some routes, they're common. If you fly standby a lot you'll learn about them.
Nov 28, 2018, 7:22 pm
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The best was payload optimized MSP-AUA IN JANUARY of all months and GAs threatening to remove peoples bags and even customers as they start their vacation
really poor planning on Deltas part for MSP-Caribbean in this time of year.
really poor planning on Deltas part for MSP-Caribbean in this time of year.
Feb 9, 2019, 10:40 am
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DL2840 MSP-ATL (MD90) payload optimized today. No explanation, but GA made multiple announcements. I had received notification that my checked bags had been loaded on an earlier flight, and I thought it was due to an error in reading the tags, but I guess it actually was part of the payload optimization program.
Feb 28, 2019, 12:06 pm
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This morning DL811 SRQ-ATL was payload optimized on an MD90. Seems very unusual for a 450 mile flight to be close to MTOW, with decent weather on both ends. Flight was 100% full, but that's the norm coming out of SRQ and never had a payload optimized flight before.
Sep 18, 2021, 3:12 pm
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ATL-JAC announced as payload optimized today. I’ve encountered it a bunch lately. Every time, they want passengers NOT to gate check bags but bring them in the cabin. Pretty goofy as the bags end up as part of the payload anyway.
This should be well within the 757-200 range so not sure why it’s always an issue. One engine go around in JAC a concern if that became necessary?
This should be well within the 757-200 range so not sure why it’s always an issue. One engine go around in JAC a concern if that became necessary?
Sep 18, 2021, 4:02 pm
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ATL-JAC announced as payload optimized today. I’ve encountered it a bunch lately. Every time, they want passengers NOT to gate check bags but bring them in the cabin. Pretty goofy as the bags end up as part of the payload anyway.
This should be well within the 757-200 range so not sure why it’s always an issue. One engine go around in JAC a concern if that became necessary?
This should be well within the 757-200 range so not sure why it’s always an issue. One engine go around in JAC a concern if that became necessary?
Sep 18, 2021, 9:35 pm
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The FAA changed the standard average passenger / bag weights this summer. Delta implemented the changeover on August 31. Drumroll ... you all got fatter 
Everyone magically weighs 15 lbs heavier than they did a month ago, at least in the eyes of the Feds. Standard checked bag, and heavy bag weights increased, too.
this is effective across all fleets, but on average, this equates to about 3,000 extra lbs on a B738 or A320, and about 6,000 extra lbs on an A330 that gets lugged around. The A220s and A320s are particularly sensitive as they are usually up against max structural landing weight if you have a full passenger load and need to carry an alternate for dispatch.
You would think this is the case, but its not how the FAA computes things for weight and balance. Those bags in the overhead bins are INCLUDED in your average passenger weight. The minute they need to be gate checked, its an extra 35 lbs per bag hit on the payload. The gate agents know the flight is Payload Optimized and will try extra hard to not have to gate-check bags. If the FAs close the bins early when they aren't really "full" you'll be leaving standbys at the gate in favor of "weight" that has to be added to the belly as gate-checked bags (even though those bags were going to be on the airplane regardless).
Everyone magically weighs 15 lbs heavier than they did a month ago, at least in the eyes of the Feds. Standard checked bag, and heavy bag weights increased, too.this is effective across all fleets, but on average, this equates to about 3,000 extra lbs on a B738 or A320, and about 6,000 extra lbs on an A330 that gets lugged around. The A220s and A320s are particularly sensitive as they are usually up against max structural landing weight if you have a full passenger load and need to carry an alternate for dispatch.
You would think this is the case, but its not how the FAA computes things for weight and balance. Those bags in the overhead bins are INCLUDED in your average passenger weight. The minute they need to be gate checked, its an extra 35 lbs per bag hit on the payload. The gate agents know the flight is Payload Optimized and will try extra hard to not have to gate-check bags. If the FAs close the bins early when they aren't really "full" you'll be leaving standbys at the gate in favor of "weight" that has to be added to the belly as gate-checked bags (even though those bags were going to be on the airplane regardless).
Feb 10, 2023, 8:10 am
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I know I’m reviving an old thread but I keep hearing the FA’s tell me I’m on a payload optimized flight and that they cannot check any bags. I’ve never heard this before. I assume they are referring to gate checking bags as my checked luggage better be on the plane.
Feb 10, 2023, 8:31 am
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I know I’m reviving an old thread but I keep hearing the FA’s tell me I’m on a payload optimized flight and that they cannot check any bags. I’ve never heard this before. I assume they are referring to gate checking bags as my checked luggage better be on the plane.
Feb 10, 2023, 10:10 am
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The old post just above yours kinda goes into this ... here it is explained a little differently (FYI, in the 1980's I worked in AA's "Load Control" ...Weight & balance calcs ... I'm sure procedures have changed over the years, but the concept is still there) ...
The FAA approved method for "Weight & Balance" calculations allow airlines to use specific FAA weights for passengers and bags instead of weighing everybody and every bag.
So passengers weigh "x" pounds. The FAA value for "x" includes a carry on.
Likewise, each bag weighs "y" pounds. Airlines do count each individual bag loaded (more specifically, for "balance" purposes, they count how many bags in each compartment).
When the Gate Agt "converts" a bag from "carry-on" to "checked", the fixed value of "x" for that passenger does not change, yet the bag count increases by one, thus increasing (on paper) the take-off weight by "y" lbs.
The FAA approved method for "Weight & Balance" calculations allow airlines to use specific FAA weights for passengers and bags instead of weighing everybody and every bag.
So passengers weigh "x" pounds. The FAA value for "x" includes a carry on.
Likewise, each bag weighs "y" pounds. Airlines do count each individual bag loaded (more specifically, for "balance" purposes, they count how many bags in each compartment).
When the Gate Agt "converts" a bag from "carry-on" to "checked", the fixed value of "x" for that passenger does not change, yet the bag count increases by one, thus increasing (on paper) the take-off weight by "y" lbs.
