Payload Optimized [The Definitive Thread]
Mar 15, 2016, 7:45 pm
#31
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Also add to the mix SLC is a mountain altitude airport with full pax load and
headwinds forecasted and fuel loaded for a non stop flight the envelope limits
of the aircraft may be pushed to the edge. Upon takeoff an emergency return
to the airport maybe a limiting factor with mountains and high terrain all around
and the inability to climb out of the Salt Lake bowl to find an alternate !
Since this is still winter at least as far as SLC is concerned the weight/balance
tables would have a hefty thumb on the scale with psgrs baggage/gear hats
coats and gloves etc. - unlike bikini beach summer weather gear.
I am not buying the premium cargo - Delta has plenty of other options for
routing that cargo and nobody ships around that much Delta Dash !
What is possible a maintenance issue limitation on the gross load of the equipment.
headwinds forecasted and fuel loaded for a non stop flight the envelope limits
of the aircraft may be pushed to the edge. Upon takeoff an emergency return
to the airport maybe a limiting factor with mountains and high terrain all around
and the inability to climb out of the Salt Lake bowl to find an alternate !
Since this is still winter at least as far as SLC is concerned the weight/balance
tables would have a hefty thumb on the scale with psgrs baggage/gear hats
coats and gloves etc. - unlike bikini beach summer weather gear.
I am not buying the premium cargo - Delta has plenty of other options for
routing that cargo and nobody ships around that much Delta Dash !
What is possible a maintenance issue limitation on the gross load of the equipment.
Mar 15, 2016, 8:13 pm
#32
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I was on a new A319 from MSP-BZN that was payload optimized a couple of months ago. No cabin baggage could be checked, it all had to fit in the cabin. Weird given the relatively short distance.
Do the few added seats to the new A319/A320 configuration make this more commonplace?
Do the few added seats to the new A319/A320 configuration make this more commonplace?
net loss of two seats - results in less weight by two pax with baggage and
the weight of the seats.
This does not compute or answer the problem.
NOW if all the Y rows are scrunched up to add that one more row of F then
there is a net gain of 4 seats with the pax baggage and weight of 4 seats -
probably adding 1200 pounds potential to the weight of the aircraft.
MSP-BZN non-stop is about the same distance and flight time as MSP-SLC.
Not short and not long like a flight to LAX.
Puzzling: "No cabin baggage could be checked, it all had to fit in the cabin."
Please explain this or did you mean something else like did all the luggage
have to ride in the passenger cabin - none could be carried in the CARGO
HOLD because of some quirky maintenance issue ???
Mar 15, 2016, 8:35 pm
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Puzzling: "No cabin baggage could be checked, it all had to fit in the cabin."
Please explain this or did you mean something else like did all the luggage
have to ride in the passenger cabin - none could be carried in the CARGO
HOLD because of some quirky maintenance issue ???
Please explain this or did you mean something else like did all the luggage
have to ride in the passenger cabin - none could be carried in the CARGO
HOLD because of some quirky maintenance issue ???
Mar 16, 2016, 5:26 am
#35
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I think it is technically the program that kicks in when a flight is overweight, or near max weight.
More refined weight estimates, then planning what pax/bags/cargo should fly.
Of course, it might really be Joe calling from DL Air Freight saying somebody will pay 20K to get some equipment to BOS, so boot the bags :-)
More refined weight estimates, then planning what pax/bags/cargo should fly.
Of course, it might really be Joe calling from DL Air Freight saying somebody will pay 20K to get some equipment to BOS, so boot the bags :-)
Mar 16, 2016, 5:03 pm
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Have you had bad experiences with DL's baggage delivery? I've only needed it once, on a tight connection in ATL where I made it to LAS but my bags didn't. The agent at LAS told me they would send my bag on the first plane the next day and it would be delivered by lunch. To my surprise, it was actually delivered to the front desk of my hotel around 3 am. It must have come in on a cargo delivery flight, because there were definitely no more ATL-LAS passenger flights going out the night before.
Mar 16, 2016, 5:06 pm
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May 27, 2016, 9:31 pm
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This actually happened to me... Same route (SLC -> BOS). They were looking for 9+ volunteers on that flight.
At first I thought they were just way oversold... But then they started pulling bags from the hold. My parents flew home, I volunteered. They said my seat in C+ was left empty, along with several others. So I can only suspect "must fly" cargo, or way to many skis on board.
(Ironically, my luggage was *not* pulled even though I stayed an extra day and many other bags were. Darn priority tags :-P)
At first I thought they were just way oversold... But then they started pulling bags from the hold. My parents flew home, I volunteered. They said my seat in C+ was left empty, along with several others. So I can only suspect "must fly" cargo, or way to many skis on board.
(Ironically, my luggage was *not* pulled even though I stayed an extra day and many other bags were. Darn priority tags :-P)
Aug 4, 2016, 1:25 pm
#41
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DL does not use A319/A320 for TCON
'320's (and '319's) routinely fly tcon's on dl and other carriers and that's the way things are and will remain. The days of flying excess capacity are long gone.
Once in a great while, this will result in weight restrictions before loading and that's a bit of a hassle. Enroute, maybe a fuel diversion and a bit of a greater hassle.
But, that's better than losing a frequency which is the alternative.
Once in a great while, this will result in weight restrictions before loading and that's a bit of a hassle. Enroute, maybe a fuel diversion and a bit of a greater hassle.
But, that's better than losing a frequency which is the alternative.
Aug 4, 2016, 1:30 pm
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Aug 4, 2016, 4:53 pm
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Aug 4, 2016, 4:56 pm
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