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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 2:18 pm
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Just used RUCs for the first time this past weekend...here's my experience.

Booked a MR flight back in Sept: CHA-LAX, stopover night, LAX-MSP-ANC with return two days later: ANC (redeye)-MSP-LAX-ATL-CHA to get extra mile for Diamond.
Turns out that my one full day in ANC is my oldest daughter's 21st birthday - she lives in SAN so I booked her a flight to match our LAX-MSP-ANC and return.
Then, I asked my youngest daughter (age 12) if she would like to tag along with us, so I then booked her flight to match mine.

Ended up getting Diamond last month so this became a fun birthday present! But I used my Plat gift before getting Diam to get 4 RUCs which I applied to this weekend and planned to give both my daughters the FC seats.

True to the fine print, I couldn't use the RUCs for my daughters, it had to be me and a travel companion. Luckily, when I called (after purchasing tix) the Delta agent linked my 12yr old and my records so she wouldn't be an unaccompanied minor and the RUCs would apply to her.

After that setup, it looked like we would be waitlisted for LAX-MSP, MSP-ANC and MSP-LAX but cleared for the redeye ANC-MSP.

Done, right? ...LOL!

Anxious to see if we cleared anytime before the flight, I kept checking the Delta app for my account and my 12 year olds.
No updates up until check-in (24hrs out), but I couldn't check in because I'm flagged with a minor. [sigh] Get to airport, day of, check in and grab first leg to ATL where we had decent layover. In SC, I notice that my 12yr daughter has multiple bookings - some in coach, some as waitlisted FC...as did I (but only one)

Talked with counter agent in SC to look at situation. He clears my coach double booking, but say I need to call reservations to look at her record (of course he is near the end of his shift I hear him saying to others behind counter)
Call DM desk, what I think she said (in broken english) is that since we're checked in, it's under airport control - need to see an agent.
Go back to SC counter and talk to different agent (because original is gone now). She looks at record and says she can't do anything about that, so she calls reservations.

<<<Now I'm starting to feel like those ever bouncing back-n-forth set of pixels on the screen of a Pong game>>>

She sits for 15+ minutes listening to the res desk agent typing away. Meanwhile, our flight has started boarding so she agreed to hold on hold to get it resolved and we'll check back with it in LAX.

Upon getting signal in LA, I check our accounts to find what has been fixed: her (and I) are upgraded for the LAX-MSP and MSP-ANC flights the next morning and waitlisted for MSP-LAX, but now she literally has no ANC-MSP flight listed..?!?

Call DM desk again to find out that what actually happened is that she has cleared the ANC-MSP upgrade and she put it back in the record (or something so that I saw it on the app)

On the outbound flights, I decide to check in again, as I cleared both segments to and out of MSP, but my 12yr old has not cleared the MSP-LAX leg. I had been told once that if I clear and keep my seat, but she doesn't clear, that I would be hit with an unaccompanied minor fee. But I ask that I plan on giving my seat to my 21yr old daughter, and take her seat in back. So we juggle seats in coach so that my 12 year old and 21 year old are seated next to each other just in case she doesn't clear - and the agent puts my 21 year old as a travel companion with the 12 year old so that I can keep my upgrade and swap with my 21yr old.

Sound complicated yet...it gets better...

After checking in at ANC, getting boarding passes as I check luggage...I notice my 12yr old has not been checked in (on the app). She doesn't show up on the upgrade list for MSP-LAX, yet she shows up on the LAX-ATL upgrade list (down near the bottom as my DM companion) The counter agent says she is on there, and should clear (even with only two seats remaining and 75 people on the list (with my 21yr old listed as 72nd as a Silver)

Bothered by the lack of "Checked in" I call the DM desk again from the Alaska lounge. I'm asking why my 12yr old doesn't show up on the upgrade list for MSP-ANC. She says we'll have to check a Delta agent at the airport (insert another quarter for another round of Pong!!!) But after asking her several times why she shows on the waitlist for LAX-ATL and that she has cleared the previous three legs, what is the problem, she puts my on hold for nearly 10 minutes.

After speaking with a super, she was told that because:
- my daughter was a minor
- she was on a separate record
with those two factors, she was on a "special" list at the MSP gate that only that agent could see and clear, once we get to the airport in MSP.

I check again with the gate agent in ANC who noticed on the computer that the guy who checked us in at the counter was still working on the my daughters record to get it 'fixed' - this is at least an hour after we checked in downstairs...???
So we leave ANC without any resolution and get to MSP where luckily our connection is the next gate over. End up waiting for agent (red coat) to show up, she looks at the record and sees what looks like the length of this post in there - except written by 7 previous employees that I've spoke with so far about this one trip. Then she says she has no idea how RUCs work and called the main Delta desk who looked into it and eventually said she was on the list but not showing up on the app or the overhead screens at the gate.

Oh well...

But then, about 10 minutes before the flight started boarding, she showed up in app and on screens: #1 of 85. Two minutes before boarding her name disappears...wonder what that means...should be upgrade, but app still shows 34A.

As we scanned passes, she did get the upgrade and my daughters continued their snooze fest until we got to LA.

Along the way, I found out that the RUCs were not applied to the ATL-LAX and LAX-ATL legs because those two segments were in a different fare class - X instead of V - which probably would require additional RUCs.

After the fact - it was good to get to use the RUCs on the legs and to find out allot about the "system" limitations and procedures: i.e.: call to confirm several times until programmers figure out how to apply special circumstances that have not been accounted for.
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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by BHammy
Along the way, I found out that the RUCs were not applied to the ATL-LAX and LAX-ATL legs because those two segments were in a different fare class - X instead of V - which probably would require additional RUCs.
RUCs work on X. The problem might be a "broken fare": each segment was a separate fare rather than a through fare. That makes it unclear whether a single RUC should work for both flights.
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Old Dec 8, 2015 | 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by sethb
RUCs work on X. The problem might be a "broken fare": each segment was a separate fare rather than a through fare. That makes it unclear whether a single RUC should work for both flights.
Officially broken fares require multiple RUCs, but many agents probably don't know this and others might let it pass so that a single RUC covers all segments in the same direction (but not a RT, even if it's a same day MR). YMMV.
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by JayTeaBee
Bump.

I just applied RUC's to PWM-ATL-MBJ (and back) for both my wife & I in Jan. Incredibly, the two MBJ segments had open inventory so we cleared immediately and I've been wait-listed (allegedly) for the PWM-ATL & ATL-PWM segments. On the website I do not have duplicate seat maps for the wait-listed segements which makes me nervous but I do see split reports here on FT about that. I went through this same process last year and it was opposite, the PWM legs cleared immediately and we were waitlisted for the MBJ. That time I did have the "ghost" or duplicate seat maps appearing the whole time and we cleared at the gates.

I just tweeted DLAssist to ask if they can confirm inventory on the other segments and if not to confirm I've been wait-listed appropriately.

I wish this process was clearer.
Update, we are now cleared on all segments. I have been tweeting DL assist once a week asking if there is any open RUC inventory for the one seg that wasn't clear and today they magically said "yes there is, we'll move you now" and BAM. But, I had to stay on top of it. Just because you are on the wait-list doesn't mean you will automatically clear if inventory opens up. Total BS but glad I managed the process appropriately.
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 7:58 pm
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I need to make my 2015 PM choice benefits selection and was considering selecting RUC's. I've never had them before but after reading this thread I'm now questioning if I want to select them at all.

Wow.
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 8:53 pm
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I'm trying to figure out whether an RUC was properly applied to a same-day turn MR that I have coming up. I had it waitlisted for a single segment.

So far, a couple of agents, and Delta Assist have told me that it has been, even though I don't see the ghost seat map that is usually shown with waitlisted certificates.

Thoughts? I have a nagging feeling that it hasn't been, so I'm tempted to have them remove it, then HUCA to have it reapplied.
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 12:45 am
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Originally Posted by WWads
So far, a couple of agents, and Delta Assist have told me that it has been, even though I don't see the ghost seat map that is usually shown with waitlisted certificates.

Thoughts? I have a nagging feeling that it hasn't been, so I'm tempted to have them remove it, then HUCA to have it reapplied.
FWIW, I had a similar situation late last year, no ghost map, phone agents and DeltaAssist swearing up and down it was coded correctly. I was worried, based on everything I'd read here, but I did get the upgrade at T-5d (for SFO-JFK). So I think unfortunately it's hard to know for sure.
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 12:56 am
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I've noticed that various versions of the app seem to show differently in terms of the ghost seat map and how the upgrade request is indicated.
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 11:33 am
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Looks like I'm just going to have to trust Delta on this one. Just spoke to yet another agent who confirmed that everything was as it should be. I even had her read the cert # off to me, and it did match up.

With my luck, If I had them remove the cert and reapply, I'd lose on time of request and be left standing at the gate as #1 with zero left.

I haven't requested a complimentary upgrade for the segment (not that a PM on a V would clear ATL-PDX anyway), so if I'm not on the upgrade list at all at T-24, I'll know there's a problem.
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 12:06 pm
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In case it matters, IME the ghost maps only show up on my computer web browser and not the mobile app.
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by JayTeaBee
In case it matters, IME the ghost maps only show up on my computer web browser and not the mobile app.
It doesn't appear anywhere I look (Mac, app, iPad, etc).

What are the chances that time of request would make a difference for this? Is my best bet just to remove the cert and reapply it?
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Old Jan 16, 2016 | 5:39 pm
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You're talking pretty far down the tiebreaker for time of request unless they've changed how the priority works. It was status, then fare class... and if fare class is the same then the time of request comes in to play. Supposedly the DL Reserve card can factor in as a tiebreak with same fare class as well before time of request but don't know for sure anymore.
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Originally Posted by rylan
You're talking pretty far down the tiebreaker for time of request unless they've changed how the priority works. It was status, then fare class... and if fare class is the same then the time of request comes in to play. Supposedly the DL Reserve card can factor in as a tiebreak with same fare class as well before time of request but don't know for sure anymore.
I didn't think that the Reserve acted as a tiebreaker for cert upgrades.
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1st time I used a pair of RUCs, it was great - got the wife and I upgraded at time of booking MSP-LAX-HNL out and then back again. Felt like I got a lot of value from those. But here's my most recent experience:

MSP-SEA round trip last week, tried to get us upgraded when I booked the tickets a month ago, but nothing available, so the rep said she would put us on waitlist. As the date approached for our outbound, there were no seats showing available, so I wasn't terribly concerned when we checked in and it showed an option to request upgrade. We were not on the upgrade list at all. I thought that was strange.

So Friday 2 days ago, we were in sky club terminal F ATL when the check in time came up for the return SEA-MSP. I checked us in and there were 4 seats available up front, but we did not show up on the upgrade list again. The ladies at the front desk of sky club couldn't or wouldn't assist, btw. Called the diamond line and the dude said the upgrades that we had waitlisted "were not coded properly" - so he unchecked us, worked his magic, and when I checked us back in again, we were #1 and #2 on the list. Awesome.

So then we are at the gate on Saturday in SEA, still the top two spots on the upgrade list, 2 seats left - my wife has no status, so I thought this was fantastic. But then 5 minutes before boarding started, I checked to see if they had made the upgrade official yet, and there was someone else at the top of the list. We were #2 and #3, with 2 seats left unassigned. Dang. So I went to the gate agent and after confirming we wouldn't both get upgraded, I just told her to remove us both from the list to save the RUCs for another trip.

So how did someone jump in front of us at the last minute? Which of these are possibilities? I have Skymiles Reserve, so that tiebreaker was null...

- someone using a GUC?
- DM using a RUC with higher class of service?
- DM using a RUC with earlier time of booking?
- PM using a RUC w/ higher class of svc or time of booking?
- Delta 360?

Just curious! So all in all, I'm not a fan of waitlisting, based on this experience - I had tried the waitlist thing one other time and it didn't work then either, so I will limit my use of these going forward to the time of booking.
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Old Jan 19, 2016 | 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Minnegator
So how did someone jump in front of us at the last minute? Which of these are possibilities? I have Skymiles Reserve, so that tiebreaker was null...

- someone using a GUC?
- DM using a RUC with higher class of service?
- DM using a RUC with earlier time of booking?
- PM using a RUC w/ higher class of svc or time of booking?
- Delta 360?

Just curious! So all in all, I'm not a fan of waitlisting, based on this experience - I had tried the waitlist thing one other time and it didn't work then either, so I will limit my use of these going forward to the time of booking.
The exact order for RUC/GUC usage isn't published. I don't believe GUCs have priority over RUCs. For medallion upgrades, the time of request is what matters, not the time of booking; but someone might have been on that flight with a RUC waitlisted, and not checked in too early. They won't show up on the list until checked in.
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