OFFICAL from Delta: Award Stopovers & Open Jaw GONE #Skymiles2015
Nov 18, 2014, 1:02 pm
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Nov 18, 2014, 2:07 pm
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Also, looks like one-way rates have mostly gone up for travel outside of NA.
Almost all rates up by ~5k for Y, ~10k for J each way
Some examples
Old/New rates each way,
Europe- North Asia Y 45k->50k, J 70k->80k
North Asia - Hawaii Y 27.5k->30k, J 42.5k->50k
North Asia - Africa J 75k->80k
Almost all rates up by ~5k for Y, ~10k for J each way
Some examples
Old/New rates each way,
Europe- North Asia Y 45k->50k, J 70k->80k
North Asia - Hawaii Y 27.5k->30k, J 42.5k->50k
North Asia - Africa J 75k->80k
Nov 18, 2014, 2:34 pm
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Given all we've seen it wouldn't surprise me if 25K is the R/T "floor" but a saver O/W will cost, say 15K.
No evidence of this and I hope it isn't true but when has Delta missed an opportunity to stick it to us
Nov 18, 2014, 2:52 pm
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Not just gamers. Stopovers could be used for very legitimate purposes. For example this past June I took my two twenty something kids on a fantastic trip to South Africa. We had to transit thru LHR to get J award tix as they are rarely available on the ATL-JNB route. We did a 3 day legitimate stopover in London on the this trip. This helps a great deal with the long layover and exhausting travel and my daughter had never been to London. Does anyone know offhand how many miles this would have added? As it was I was lucky to still get in on 140k but I believe it is now 160k from the US to SA. And it will be even more with this new change.
I fully understand eliminating the stopover on a one way but on a round trip it was really a great benefit and this is basically a devaluation.
I fully understand eliminating the stopover on a one way but on a round trip it was really a great benefit and this is basically a devaluation.
(plus the 5GBP fare to central London from LHR.)
Nov 18, 2014, 3:18 pm
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Do we actually know that? Yes. the award chart lists a bunch of one way fares (in miles) but even the post 1/1/2015 chart still says "one way pricing based on round trip..."
Given all we've seen it wouldn't surprise me if 25K is the R/T "floor" but a saver O/W will cost, say 15K.
No evidence of this and I hope it isn't true but when has Delta missed an opportunity to stick it to us
Given all we've seen it wouldn't surprise me if 25K is the R/T "floor" but a saver O/W will cost, say 15K.
No evidence of this and I hope it isn't true but when has Delta missed an opportunity to stick it to us
Nov 18, 2014, 3:42 pm
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I switched from DL/Skymiles as my primary program because of no one way redemptions, flipping to AA. True, AA eliminated stopovers, but one ways give me a lot of options to mix and match, since I have miles in a few programs plus Amex and Chase transfer options. BA's Avios short haul redemptions within Europe are pretty great. Occasionally I have to buy a short haul connector flight, but it isn't the end of the world.
The bigger issue with DL for me, even after they move to one way redemptions, is DL's redemption rates. For 2015, a one way US-Europe saver award in biz is 50K on AA, 57.5K on UA and 62.5K on DL. US to North Asia is 140K roundtrip on DL in BusinessElite, 5K MORE than the 135K that AA charges for FIRST class bookings on Cathay. BE is a fine, but not top level, product and definitely not on par with first on Cathay.
DL has been such a disappointment over the last year, with every move seemingly giving the middle finger to customers, from pulling availability access from Expertflyer to raising the MQD requirements. And now pulling stopovers. It all adds up to a 'the only thing we really care about is our bottom line" message.
The bigger issue with DL for me, even after they move to one way redemptions, is DL's redemption rates. For 2015, a one way US-Europe saver award in biz is 50K on AA, 57.5K on UA and 62.5K on DL. US to North Asia is 140K roundtrip on DL in BusinessElite, 5K MORE than the 135K that AA charges for FIRST class bookings on Cathay. BE is a fine, but not top level, product and definitely not on par with first on Cathay.
DL has been such a disappointment over the last year, with every move seemingly giving the middle finger to customers, from pulling availability access from Expertflyer to raising the MQD requirements. And now pulling stopovers. It all adds up to a 'the only thing we really care about is our bottom line" message.
Nov 18, 2014, 3:58 pm
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I would not be surprised a bit that open jaws from USA to Europe and back will now incur international origination surcharges for the return trip, as was mentioned above. You asked for one-way awards, and you got them. How sad!
Nov 18, 2014, 4:04 pm
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One thing I will like about the "one way" option is that when availability opens up on a routing one can snag it. I can leave the return trip option open and continue to look for availability - use miles on another airline - or pay for it if availability does not open up. With availability at a low level so hard to find, this could be a possible help. I fully understand those who might disagree!
Nov 18, 2014, 4:09 pm
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The bigger issue with DL for me, even after they move to one way redemptions, is DL's redemption rates. For 2015, a one way US-Europe saver award in biz is 50K on AA, 57.5K on UA and 62.5K on DL. US to North Asia is 140K roundtrip on DL in BusinessElite, 5K MORE than the 135K that AA charges for FIRST class bookings on Cathay. BE is a fine, but not top level, product and definitely not on par with first on Cathay.
Nov 18, 2014, 4:56 pm
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The bigger issue with DL for me, even after they move to one way redemptions, is DL's redemption rates. For 2015, a one way US-Europe saver award in biz is 50K on AA, 57.5K on UA and 62.5K on DL. US to North Asia is 140K roundtrip on DL in BusinessElite, 5K MORE than the 135K that AA charges for FIRST class bookings on Cathay. BE is a fine, but not top level, product and definitely not on par with first on Cathay.
Nov 18, 2014, 5:59 pm
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Nov 18, 2014, 7:58 pm
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I really wanted to book an open jaw with a stopover for an intra-Europe flight for next year! I guess I need to book it before end of the year! Can't do anything with Skymiles these days! 
Nov 18, 2014, 8:16 pm
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Do we actually know that? Yes. the award chart lists a bunch of one way fares (in miles) but even the post 1/1/2015 chart still says "one way pricing based on round trip..."
Given all we've seen it wouldn't surprise me if 25K is the R/T "floor" but a saver O/W will cost, say 15K.
No evidence of this and I hope it isn't true but when has Delta missed an opportunity to stick it to us
Given all we've seen it wouldn't surprise me if 25K is the R/T "floor" but a saver O/W will cost, say 15K.
No evidence of this and I hope it isn't true but when has Delta missed an opportunity to stick it to us
Says one way awards are half the price of round trips
However, it also says
Additional fare rules and restrictions may apply to One-Way Awards.