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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Feb 27, 2017, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Cary Berdy
Wife and I are thinking of planning a trip to S. Africa end of May. We are thinking of the following itinerary, which has some legs on KLM (AMS-CPT, and CPT-AMS, AMS-ATL). What is the best way to take advantage of my GUC's? We are slightly flexible on dates (+/- a day or so) and could also fly to JNB. I'd love help with thoughts on this, it's my first time with GUC's and help would be much appreciated!
First off, I would suggest reading this thread in full as well as your GUC T&Cs:
http://https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1801454-delta-upgrade-certificate-availability-confusion-klm-operated.html

Per EF availability (see attached), if you connect in JFK instead of ATL on your outbound, there should be availability to upgrade round trip. (EDIT: This is if OP is available on the DL operated flights. KLM Z availability does not necessarily correspond to DL OP availability. The only way to find out if the DL segments have OP available is to call them and ask a competent agent) However, this is a rather advanced topic for most DL reps and you may have your work cut out for you with endless HUCAs. It took me MONTHS of calling to successfully upgrade my itinerary to CPT. DL writes the rules, but no one at DL knows how to play by them.
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I find expertflyer to be invaluable in finding KLM flights with Z fare class availability. You then need to book it using the DL codeshare numbers. I was able to book LAX-JNB here in a month with ease using it. Simply found the KLM flights with Z and called DL to book as DL codeshares. If you book as KLM numbers, only YBM fares can be upgraded. Any DL fare can be upgraded.

Both require Z fare class availability on the KLM flight number to upgrade.
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Old Feb 28, 2017, 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by pgh234
First off, I would suggest reading this thread in full as well as your GUC T&Cs:
http://https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1801454-delta-upgrade-certificate-availability-confusion-klm-operated.html

Per EF availability (see attached), if you connect in JFK instead of ATL on your outbound, there should be availability to upgrade round trip. (EDIT: This is if OP is available on the DL operated flights. KLM Z availability does not necessarily correspond to DL OP availability. The only way to find out if the DL segments have OP available is to call them and ask a competent agent) However, this is a rather advanced topic for most DL reps and you may have your work cut out for you with endless HUCAs. It took me MONTHS of calling to successfully upgrade my itinerary to CPT. DL writes the rules, but no one at DL knows how to play by them.
Thanks so much for the reply! I'm not sure what "OP" stands for....

I tried calling last night before reading your reply, and was told by the agent there was availability on the JFK route as you found, but it had to be booked as Y fare on KLM. Are you saying I should call back, give them the itinerary you suggested, and ask to book the flight as a delta ticket codeshare and then apply the GUC's? Sorry for the confusion, this is my first time navigating this process and and any detail is much appreciated!
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Old Feb 28, 2017, 7:49 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
I find expertflyer to be invaluable in finding KLM flights with Z fare class availability. You then need to book it using the DL codeshare numbers. I was able to book LAX-JNB here in a month with ease using it. Simply found the KLM flights with Z and called DL to book as DL codeshares. If you book as KLM numbers, only YBM fares can be upgraded. Any DL fare can be upgraded.

Both require Z fare class availability on the KLM flight number to upgrade.
So you are saying I should call back, have them look up the itinerary pgh234 kindly found for me, have them book as Delta codeshare and apply GUC's at that point?
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So you are saying I should call back, have them look up the itinerary pgh234 kindly found for me, have them book as Delta codeshare and apply GUC's at that point?
Yes. If booked as KLM flights only YBM fares qualify for upgrades. These are the most expensive fares. If booked as DL codeshare then any fare class can be upgraded. Thus get them to book as DL.
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I saw some cheap fares to China for next month, almost $800 and had some voucher money, so I spent less than $400.

I am going ATL-SEA-PEK and returning PVG-DTW-ATL. Leaving on a Thursday and coming back a week later on Sunday.

I called first to find availability and their was availability on the SEA-PEK, but nothing on the return. I purchased and cleared on a 767 with 1a. The next day I got an email and was cleared on the PVG-DTW and was able to select upstairs 77A.

I am looking forward riding on the 744 upstairs on more time. I did DTW-NRT last June and really enjoyed the trip.
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I had no problems using GUCs for ORD-AMS-CPT RT KLM. I think it took less than one hour on the phone. All segments cleared at booking and seats were assigned at the same time.
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Old Feb 28, 2017, 11:59 am
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I had no problems using GUCs for ORD-AMS-CPT RT KLM. I think it took less than one hour on the phone. All segments cleared at booking and seats were assigned at the same time.
would you mind sharing what exact steps you took, especially when speaking with the agents? I am going to try and call this evening and want to be "well armed"

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Cary Berdy
would you mind sharing what exact steps you took, especially when speaking with the agents? I am going to try and call this evening and want to be "well armed"

Thanks!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ct-2017-a.html

Resolution noted in #13 as I initially wanted to again do ATL-JNB
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Originally Posted by pgh234
First off, I would suggest reading this thread in full as well as your GUC T&Cs:
http://https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1801454-delta-upgrade-certificate-availability-confusion-klm-operated.html

Per EF availability (see attached), if you connect in JFK instead of ATL on your outbound, there should be availability to upgrade round trip. (EDIT: This is if OP is available on the DL operated flights. KLM Z availability does not necessarily correspond to DL OP availability. The only way to find out if the DL segments have OP available is to call them and ask a competent agent) However, this is a rather advanced topic for most DL reps and you may have your work cut out for you with endless HUCAs. It took me MONTHS of calling to successfully upgrade my itinerary to CPT. DL writes the rules, but no one at DL knows how to play by them.
So I just got off the phone with a DM agent who seemed to be somewhat knowledgeable about Z booking on KLM. I had her look up the top option for outbound, and the 3rd down on the return. She said she had to run it by supervisor, and sure enough she comes back and says it has to be YBM fare since not all those legs were DL codeshares. How do I get around this? It's making my head spin!
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Originally Posted by Cary Berdy
So I just got off the phone with a DM agent who seemed to be somewhat knowledgeable about Z booking on KLM. I had her look up the top option for outbound, and the 3rd down on the return. She said she had to run it by supervisor, and sure enough she comes back and says it has to be YBM fare since not all those legs were DL codeshares. How do I get around this? It's making my head spin!
For KL marketed flights, the YBM requirement appears to be true. For DL marketed flights (and you can get all of those flights with a DL flight number even though most are KLM operated. Please cancel and rebook your ticket if you did not get all DL marketed flights if you already booked it), it can be any fare above E that will, according to the T&C of the GUC (which you will have to read to most agents), be upgraded to Z per the married segment logic availability that I showed in your chosen itinerary.

Per my post #35 in the linked thread from earlier:
"To get my upgrades while capturing the upgrade on the KL operated segment, she had to re-ticket my all DL-marketed itinerary to all KL-marketed (claiming my Z space for KL-operated segment), then reticket the DL-operated flights to DL-marketed (claiming the OP space on DL)."

At a minimum, an agent should be able to confirm your upgrades on the KL operated segments (as long as they were originally DL marketed). We do not know at this time if the DL operated segments have OP available. Be persistant...it took me months.
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Originally Posted by pgh234
For KL marketed flights, the YBM requirement appears to be true. For DL marketed flights (and you can get all of those flights with a DL flight number even though most are KLM operated. Please cancel and rebook your ticket if you did not get all DL marketed flights if you already booked it), it can be any fare above E that will, according to the T&C of the GUC (which you will have to read to most agents), be upgraded to Z per the married segment logic availability that I showed in your chosen itinerary.

Per my post #35 in the linked thread from earlier:
"To get my upgrades while capturing the upgrade on the KL operated segment, she had to re-ticket my all DL-marketed itinerary to all KL-marketed (claiming my Z space for KL-operated segment), then reticket the DL-operated flights to DL-marketed (claiming the OP space on DL)."

At a minimum, an agent should be able to confirm your upgrades on the KL operated segments (as long as they were originally DL marketed). We do not know at this time if the DL operated segments have OP available. Be persistant...it took me months.
How do I actually go about this on the phone? Have DM rep look up Z fares on the KL numbers, then give them the DL code shares that correspond and book that, then how do I tell them to apply GUC's? This is so confusing!

At what point to I book my reservation (I have not done so yet)? Before I call in? Have the agent do it?

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Available Classes: J0 C0 D0 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T0 X0 V



Flight: DL 9436 (CPT-AMS)
Departing: 03/08/17 12:30 AM
Arriving: 03/08/17 11:20 AM
Stops: 0
Aircraft: 77W
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Reliability: 95% / 9m
Available Classes: J0 C0 D0 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 X8 V2

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Flight: DL 9348 (AMS-JFK)
Departing: 03/08/17 1:30 PM
Arriving: 03/08/17 3:55 PM
Stops: 0
Aircraft: 777
Frequency: Unavailable
Reliability: 79% / 19m
Available Classes: J0 C0 D0 I0 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 K9 L9 U9 T9 X8 V2
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by Cary Berdy
How do I actually go about this on the phone? Have DM rep look up Z fares on the KL numbers, then give them the DL code shares that correspond and book that, then how do I tell them to apply GUC's? This is so confusing!

At what point to I book my reservation (I have not done so yet)? Before I call in? Have the agent do it?
Using ITA Matrix (and advanced routing code DL DL DL), it does appear that all of your flights can get DL marketed numbers. I would book those DL marketed/KL operated flights and then call in and try your luck. (Remember, you have until midnight the next day to cancel if you are not comfortable with how things are progressing and you NEED the upgrade. I stayed with my coach fare and called in for months...understanding that I might be stuck in coach.)

Most agents on the DM line that I talked to will have no idea what to do and tell some variation of:
1) "The Z fare bucket is a revenue fare and not an upgradeable fare class." Refer them to the T&C's of the GUC.
2) "There is a different Z bucket availability for upgrades. I am only seeing revenue Z buckets." Ask them to explain the difference between one Z fare bucket and the other...and they wont be able to.
3) "I am not showing any upgrade availability on these flights sir"...they are looking for OP fare bucket which is what you upgrade to on DL operated flights.

Javabytes suggests saying (from the referenced thread Reply #8)
Me: I'd like to use a GUC on this flight.
Agent: There are no upgrades available.
Me: Yes, there are.
Agent: The computer says there are none.
Me: You need Z inventory, and this flight is showing Z5 (or whatever the number is)
Agent: Just because there is inventory doesn't mean there are upgrades available.
Me: That's kind of the definition of inventory.
Agent: Well we need OP inventory in order to upgrade, and the computer says there isn't any.
Me: *reads the terms of the cert where DL flights upgrade into OP, and KL flights upgrade into Z*
Agent: Hmm...

Completed this with the agent, then rinse and repeat for the supervisor. Then eventually the supervisor admitted she didn't know what to do because she never actually processes these, and put me on hold to get someone else to help. After about 90 minutes total, it was done.

You might save some time by telling the first agent up front that you have a complicated international itinerary involving partners and upgrades, and asking that they just transfer you to the international reissue desk.



Using that knowledge, if you book DL operated KL flights with Z bucket availability (as verified by you in Expertflyer)...your T&C's in your GUC state that you can upgrade.

It took me 20+ phone calls over many months to many agents who told me it was not possible. I finally got a random call from a supervisor after many phone calls and emails. She apologized for the difficulty the other agents had and said she worked on my upgrades for over an hour...and viola, I am now confirmed.

As with many complicated things with DL...I spent way more time fighting for the upgrade than the length of time I will be traveling to South Africa. I enjoy the hunt, as they say.

Granted, YMMV as others here apparently had a much easier time than I did.
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