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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Dec 11, 2016, 12:08 am
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I had something really strange happen to me on my flights AUH-AMS-ATL. I was flying with my companion on two separate PNR with all flights on DL flight numbers. I put in for GUC standby on the AMS-ATL but I could not get AUH-AMS on KL. My companion which is Platinum and using my certificates cleared using a GUC, but I did not.

I had to call DL after we checked in at AUH, and she was able to get it resolved. She said she had seen this once before but it is very rare. She escalated to the Skymiles desk supervisor, and then they got revenue management to release a seat for my GUC. She stated was going to get two seats together in Delta One. However it appears it did not get transferred over to KLM system.

Of course when I got to AMS to print out my new boarding pass at the kiosk and it was all messed up. I had to wait on the KLM lounge agents to clear it all up, but I got a seat. Of course we are not together but I am sure we will get someone to swap.
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Old Dec 14, 2016, 1:46 pm
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GUC success almost complete.
DCA-DTW-SEA-NRT-TPE-NRT-DTW-DCA, all upgraded to first/D1 at booking except DTW-SEA/DTW-DCA that upgraded to C+.
Ticket purchased in U class for the whole trip - $1032 less $600 VDB from last March earned on a trip to DEL.
Worked with an excellent Diamond line agent to book -- she took the initiative to search for west coast-TPE availability and then for the add-on to get to SEA.
Return with connections NRT and DTW and get maybe a last 747 ride.
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Old Dec 18, 2016, 7:37 am
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Booked an itinerary with KLM/KLM/DL flights, in that order. All international.

I could see online the KLM flights both were selling 'Z'...not sure if this means award 'Z' is available too, as an agent claimed they are differentiated in some way - but in my case, they aligned!

Rebooked in Z/Z/RP (the DL flight is a YYZ-US flight). Got 1A on the 747 on KLM for the longest of the three. Super excited! ^

Requested GUCs to use for this and they deposited into my account about 12 hours later. A very nice DM Desk agent offered to put the flights in there for me as long as I promised to call back with the certificate number ("I will get in trouble if you don't") but when she told me there was very good Z availability, I told her to leave it as is and I'll risk it - definitely not her risking her job in any way for.

Luckily it was still there (for just me) when I called back and I was good to go.
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Old Dec 19, 2016, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
Rebooked in Z/Z/RP (the DL flight is a YYZ-US flight). Got 1A on the 747 on KLM for the longest of the three. Super excited!
Keep an eye on your 747 seats. I've had two 747s changed to 777s.
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Old Dec 19, 2016, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by TrojanTraveler
Keep an eye on your 747 seats. I've had two 747s changed to 777s.
Thanks for the advice. Any pattern as to how long in advance your aircraft was subbed? This flight is at the beginning of February.
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Old Dec 19, 2016, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
Thanks for the advice. Any pattern as to how long in advance your aircraft was subbed? This flight is at the beginning of February.
I haven't noticed a pattern. My March flight was subbed last month, if that's any help. Interesting was that DL.com maps showed the change weeks before klm.com did. For KL metal, I thought that was very strange.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 5:45 pm
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
Booked an itinerary with KLM/KLM/DL flights, in that order. All international.

I could see online the KLM flights both were selling 'Z'...not sure if this means award 'Z' is available too, as an agent claimed they are differentiated in some way - but in my case, they aligned!

Rebooked in Z/Z/RP (the DL flight is a YYZ-US flight). Got 1A on the 747 on KLM for the longest of the three. Super excited! ^

Requested GUCs to use for this and they deposited into my account about 12 hours later. A very nice DM Desk agent offered to put the flights in there for me as long as I promised to call back with the certificate number ("I will get in trouble if you don't") but when she told me there was very good Z availability, I told her to leave it as is and I'll risk it - definitely not her risking her job in any way for.

Luckily it was still there (for just me) when I called back and I was good to go.
So I have to ask, was Z available when looking at it by married segments or individual segments or both? I have been trying for months to upgrade my KLM operated DL coded flights and HUCA, for once, is not working.

One response I sometimes get is that "While I see Z is available on your KL operated flights, Z is not available as an upgrade space from KLM for these flights" How the hell can you have different "Z" fare buckets? I have spent hours on the phone with supervisors, international re-ticketing, etc and no one can explain how one Z inventory is different than another Z inventory.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by pgh234
So I have to ask, was Z available when looking at it by married segments or individual segments or both? I have been trying for months to upgrade my KLM operated DL coded flights and HUCA, for once, is not working.

One response I sometimes get is that "While I see Z is available on your KL operated flights, Z is not available as an upgrade space from KLM for these flights" How the hell can you have different "Z" fare buckets? I have spent hours on the phone with supervisors, international re-ticketing, etc and no one can explain how one Z inventory is different than another Z inventory.
I can't tell for the first segment because it's one of those short intra-Europe flights and DL doesn't sell it as a revenue ticket for the intra-Europe flight alone.

For the AMS-Canada flight, Z is available both for married segment and the individual segment. This is just looking at the fare bucket on DL.com and seeing the lowest business class fare bucket that is available is Z. And for Canada-US on DL, it says "upgrade available" when searching for the individual segment and I am logged in. Which means RP space is available as the individual segment.

What is the exact explanation they have given you? I assume if KL uses more than one 'Z' bucket, then like DL, they have RP and RU, OP and OU, etc.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 6:24 pm
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
What is the exact explanation they have given you? I assume if KL uses more than one 'Z' bucket, then like DL, they have RP and RU, OP and OU, etc.
This why my assumption as well...and question for them...and question for Google. None of which suggest there is any further differentiation of "Z" fare.

Basically their response is..."You don't understand sir, upgradable Z is not available. However, Z for business class sale is available. You can't see available upgrade inventory and KLM is very stingy with it." Then I reask how there is a difference between Z fares. Then I have them revisit the T&C's and explain their DL IT interface to me so that I can understand what they are seeing. Then we circle the conversation a few more times and I give up.

This has happened about 20 times now.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 6:38 pm
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Originally Posted by pgh234
This why my assumption as well...and question for them...and question for Google. None of which suggest there is any further differentiation of "Z" fare.

Basically their response is..."You don't understand sir, upgradable Z is not available. However, Z for business class sale is available. You can't see available upgrade inventory and KLM is very stingy with it." Then I reask how there is a difference between Z fares. Then I have them revisit the T&C's and explain their DL IT interface to me so that I can understand what they are seeing. Then we circle the conversation a few more times and I give up.

This has happened about 20 times now.
KLM is stingy with it? First time I've tried using GUC on KLM. Before I tried and booked the itinerary, I called within risk free cancel and had them confirm space was available (at that moment - I always caveated with I knew it was subject to change).

The agents all said there was PLENTY of Z upgrade space. None told me an actual number.

Have you tried calling Diamond Customer Service for a better reply? Since much earlier this year they have had a special team of agents answering calls for HVCs (PMs and DMs). First time I had to use them this year, was last week - I had an issue with a business class fare and needed their help in working with Reservations. Eventually, they got it done.

They cannot make "magic" work obviously, but they should at minimum help you understand the differences and if there is no difference, help "tell" Reservations to honor it for you. I am not trying to create extra work for an extra department - just wondering how to get you a transparent answer.

20 times? Really? I hope they didn't leave notes every time in your PNR. After I call about something a few times, in case it can be risk free cancelled, I prefer to cancel and rebook (if same price) because then I eliminate any silly notes any random reps may have left, that may be interpreted in a way not intended by someone quickly reading it in the future.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
Have you tried calling Diamond Customer Service for a better reply? Since much earlier this year they have had a special team of agents answering calls for HVCs (PMs and DMs). First time I had to use them this year, was last week - I had an issue with a business class fare and needed their help in working with Reservations. Eventually, they got it done.
The Diamond Customer Service is different than the "Diamond Line"...i.e. who I get when I call the reservations number on my card and put in my SM number?

Originally Posted by btonkid12345
20 times? Really? I hope they didn't leave notes every time in your PNR. After I call about something a few times, in case it can be risk free cancelled, I prefer to cancel and rebook (if same price) because then I eliminate any silly notes any random reps may have left, that may be interpreted in a way not intended by someone quickly reading it in the future.
Oh by now I am sure it is littered in notes and it does not help my case. All calls have been frustrating...but cordial and polite on both ends. I booked this months ago and have tried a few times per week since then. I was shy a few GUC's at the time and had to wait a few weeks to try. I am well outside of the risk-free cancellation.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by pgh234
So I have to ask, was Z available when looking at it by married segments or individual segments or both? I have been trying for months to upgrade my KLM operated DL coded flights and HUCA, for once, is not working.

One response I sometimes get is that "While I see Z is available on your KL operated flights, Z is not available as an upgrade space from KLM for these flights" How the hell can you have different "Z" fare buckets? I have spent hours on the phone with supervisors, international re-ticketing, etc and no one can explain how one Z inventory is different than another Z inventory.
Some have found it easier to get upgrade space on KL-coded, KL-operated flights -- possibly Z space doesn't translate correctly over to the DL inventory or something? If your ticket has been booked for months they may not be able to change you to the KL-coded flights without a penalty but could be worth asking, or if you get an agent that seems otherwise competent, at least ask them if upgrade space would be available if you were on a KL code.
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Old Dec 20, 2016, 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by pgh234
The Diamond Customer Service is different than the "Diamond Line"...i.e. who I get when I call the reservations number on my card and put in my SM number?
Yes. The "Diamond Line" is reservations...for future-dated travel.

Customer Service is the standard CS phone number but it redirects to special team for past-dated travel. I was referred to them because issue was complicated, involved partners, and Rez could not fix it alone.

End of the day, CS approved something but had to get Rez on the phone to complete the transaction anyways. In my one experience with them, they were great mediators and perhaps can help get a direct answer for you as well. Just a thought. I did have to push the rep, despite being directed to them, to not just offer me compensation (she STARTED with 25K miles) but actually take on the issue and help resolve it.

Originally Posted by bgriff
Some have found it easier to get upgrade space on KL-coded, KL-operated flights -- possibly Z space doesn't translate correctly over to the DL inventory or something? If your ticket has been booked for months they may not be able to change you to the KL-coded flights without a penalty but could be worth asking, or if you get an agent that seems otherwise competent, at least ask them if upgrade space would be available if you were on a KL code.
To be clear, for my flights where it cleared, the KL operated flights are KL coded in the reservation, and the DL operated flight is DL coded. Not sure if this impacted upgrade availability or not.
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Old Dec 21, 2016, 7:32 am
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I was able to book KLM flight numbers and metal from ORD-AMS-JNB-AMS-ORD for Sept 2017 for my wife and I. Total Cost was 1400 a ticket. I found T Fares for ~1100 on Delta flight numbers for those KLM metal flights and the upgrades were not available. Would have been a $600 savings total. In the end I would gladly pay 300 bux each for an upgrade to Biz. However, I don't understand the business model of where you release upgrade space to your partners before your own flight numbers? I especially don't understand when it is DL Metal and flight numbers but KLM codeshare numbers show availability as I found with a LAX-SYD route.
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Old Dec 21, 2016, 7:35 am
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Quick question for anyone as I my chances for clearing on LAX-SYD in early jan have dwindled quickly.... 1 week ago it was 13, and today down to 4 open seats. I was debating buying 2 refundable biz class tix and then just putting them cancelling them 45 minutes prior to takeoff? Is there any drawbacks to this? I understand if I am #3 on the WL that I may be holding it for 2 other people, but I thought it might be worth the gamble....
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